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Old 03-13-2007, 11:10 AM   #46
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I think it's pretty simple..Make two classes. Pro stock..(hence for the pros) and stock for the others if it becomes a problem. You just have to figure out what qualifies as pro (years racing, sponsorships, etc). Like novice class, we race novice when we first get in and the top two drivers from the season move on to stock class. Same goes if they are racing in novice modified class. They just move to modified class.
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I think it's pretty simple..Make two classes. Pro stock..(hence for the pros) and stock for the others if it becomes a problem. You just have to figure out what qualifies as pro (years racing, sponsorships, etc).
They already did that...it's called 19-turn.

Making more classes and futher diluting the field isn't the answer.
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They already did that...it's called 19-turn.

Making more classes and futher diluting the field isn't the answer.
Please make it stop...

If I show up at an event, I want them to find drivers worse then me and then put us all in the A main so I can win. Oh, and I want the same internet coverage, magazine coverage and I want to pose with products in magazines too. I don't want to actually earn it though..I want them to force all the better drivers to other classes so I can get that.
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Old 03-13-2007, 11:19 AM   #49
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LMFAO at this thread... ITS A NATIONAL EVENT.. Who should win.. Best/fastest guy reguardless of sponsorship.. I laugh anymore at RC racing because more and more people cry because after 10 minutes of work they expect to OWN a class.. Ive been racing for years.. Ive had fast times and slow times.. I get beaten down sometimes..sometimes I dont.. BUT If Im going to WIN A NATIONAL EVENT>>I want to do it against the BEST,,, Not the best of the non sponsored or the best of the novice..

Why should this be any different than anything else.. I dont recall seeing NON SPONSORED downhill skiing at the last winter olympics.. As such I also dont expect to start skiing next week and qualify to compete at the next games.. ( Fill in the blank with any sport) ..

Compared to when I started in the late 80's as a youngster I could care less about winning the A-Main.. Back then I had fun racing and bettering myself. I still have my J-main ribbons from back then. People now start up..think that they should easily win after 2 weeks of racing. and whine when they dont.. USUALLY the guys whining are the ones who show up 1 hour before the racing starts.

When I lose I KNOW WHY... I KNOW why the guy who won did..They had a better car/drove better/put more time in/etc.. But if/when I ever win something BIG.. Id want to do it against the best>>Then you know you have actually acomplished something.
To use your anology most major sports have a "minor" league with a championship of its own. It allows people in that sport to compete against people of their same skill level and improve their skills. You dont get better by sitting on the bench in the majors or by pulling over every other lap for the fast guys. I think what some people want is just a fun event and class in which they can compete against people of similar skill levels. Now you can argue that a club race is that minor league but Im not sure its the same.

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Please make it stop...

If I show up at an event, I want them to find drivers worse then me and then put us all in the A main so I can win. Oh, and I want the same internet coverage, magazine coverage and I want to pose with products in magazines too. I don't want to actually earn it though..I want them to force all the better drivers to other classes so I can get that.


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Old 03-13-2007, 11:31 AM   #51
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What do you think a nationals is? You're suppose to race against the best at a national race. There is no way in hell I would pay $700+ for travel and expenses to race against a bunch of no name scrubs.
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Man I swear when I watched the Busch race Sat. that I saw alot of Nextel Cup drivers in it..Hell one even won, I bet he kept his paycheck, I am sure his entry was covered by race team or sponsor and his room was Comp'ed! LOL

And you know when they interviewed the "Busch regulars" NOT ONE OF THEM COMPLAINED ABOUT IT!!

None will be on Speed or ESPN or in the newspaper saying I wish that NASCAR wouldn't let the Nextel guys race with us cause I can't win when they are entered. They get better equipment than I do, thier gas has more octane then mine and they have special tires that allow them to beat me...
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Man I swear when I watched the Busch race Sat. that I saw alot of Nextel Cup drivers in it..Hell one even won, I bet he kept his paycheck, I am sure his entry was covered by race team or sponsor and his room was Comp'ed! LOL

And you know when they interviewed the "Busch regulars" NOT ONE OF THEM COMPLAINED ABOUT IT!!

None will be on Speed or ESPN or in the newspaper saying I wish that NASCAR wouldn't let the Nextel guys race with us cause I can't win when they are entered. They get better equipment than I do, thier gas has more octane then mine and they have special tires that allow them to beat me...
If no one complained then why are the Nextel guys now limited to the number of Busch races they can enter? People are definately complaining about it with the Busch series.
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See this if you dont think people complain about Nextel drivers in the Busch series:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buschwhacker

I think there is a good comparison between Busch/Nextel vs Stock / Pro Stock racing.
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At the Snowbirds I seen alot of yelling by sponsered drivers in stock foam to slower guys, is it fair to the slower guys to recieve this type of abuse? This is stock racing , should the pro driver in stock foam be running in 19T? My point is that the competition is high and should the slower guy be told to pull there car off the tack because he is not as good? When the pro driver did not enven pay a entery fee. I want everyone to have a good time but while attending large race events these team guys are pretty mean on the driver stand to less skilled drivers.
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To use your anology most major sports have a "minor" league with a championship of its own. It allows people in that sport to compete against people of their same skill level and improve their skills. You dont get better by sitting on the bench in the majors or by pulling over every other lap for the fast guys. I think what some people want is just a fun event and class in which they can compete against people of similar skill levels. Now you can argue that a club raise is that minor league but Im not sure its the same.

NOPE you arent getting lapped 500 times.. cause your not in the A... There is a place for slower people.. Its the B-Z main.. Ive been there many many times... You see if Im in the A or F main.. I dont care.. I dont rest my EGO on RC racing.. I dont look at it as others do.. OK at snowbirds I ran in the C main Pro Mod.. I did not think...HMMM if factory drivers were BANNED iD BE IN THE A MAIN.. I said.. HMMM I have a LOT MORE WORK TO DO FOR NEXT YEAR.. But I focused on my main.. and enjoyed watching and learning from the sidelines as the A main went down.. I had a great time.. and didnt think once that I should have been here or there... Stevie Wonder could have seen why the cars on top were on top.. and why I was in 24th place.. But I was in 24th place against the BEST.and Im perfectly happy with that.

People who want the pros filtered out are people who WANT to say... Im a national champ...without being the best..

Personally Ive gotten faster having the pros whoop on me than I ever did running at venues/classes where there are no pros..

And as far as minor league.. they dont play games AT the same event... So nothing stops you from creating a NON SPONSERED event/series to run..
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What do you think a nationals is? You're suppose to race against the best at a national race. There is no way in hell I would pay $700+ for travel and expenses to race against a bunch of no name scrubs.
If it is about going up against the best of the best then race in the Mod class. Dont race in stock and then say Nationals are for racing the best.
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While most of you guys say shut up and deal with it, if anything is going to get changed in this sport we should talk more about subjects about this. We all know what happens when we shutup and put our heads in the sand.
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If no one complained then why are the Nextel guys now limited to the number of Busch races they can enter? People are definately complaining about it with the Busch series.
If they are Limited to how many, some one better tell Carl Edwards!!!!! He is scheduled to run all the Bush races this year...
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What do you think a nationals is? You're suppose to race against the best at a national race. There is no way in hell I would pay $700+ for travel and expenses to race against a bunch of no name scrubs.
If this is true the Nationals would be a one class modified race to determine the best TC driver in the U.S. - not the best driver with a slightly slower TC, and the best driver with an even slower TC, or the best old guy.

Busch series comparisons make no sense. I would rather see different drivers, the fact is the name guys bring money to tracks an NASCAR in the form of TV rights and attendance. While they may face more copetetion from better drivers and teams, the increased exposure means more money for all drivers in the series.
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