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Old 02-27-2007, 01:23 PM   #106
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gee your car must be falling to bits
try building properly the first time round

sorry could resist
i hear what your saying though ,but rebuilding cars trackside is not fun that's worse then rebuilding motors

Most of my wrenching time is done at the track.
Mostly because when I begin a repair or replacement its more of a convenience to have the parts near by in the shop...


As far as falling to bits....

I build um "tite" baby !!!
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Old 02-27-2007, 01:42 PM   #107
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not sure yet are we ,this be the first year in 5 cell & no one has done 5 cell 27t & 19t

like Skiv has said
if 27t/19t go 5 cell would we gear higher to go faster & have heat & wear issue again ????....

heat and wear is both lower with 5 cell.

We race it now for 2 months with the 19 turn element V2(because it's the motor for the dutch nationals). Everyone that had make the step form 27 turn(DMC rules 6 cell) to element 5 cell has compatible laptimes and we race it now togheter.
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Old 02-27-2007, 08:26 PM   #108
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I finally decided to give brushless a try. Purchased a LRP sphere and 4300 with sintered rotor. I won't go back to running a brushed motor. The 4300 has rip like a mod and top end of a stock motor. Total blast to drive, and feels just like any brushed motor I have ever driven. Brushless is the future of R/C there is no doubt.

I run on a small indoor track and I am going to test 5 cells this weekend. I bet it will be the same speed as I can't get a good setup with 6 cells. Car is just over powered.

I am getting ready to make the switch to LIPO after trying the brushless motor. I can't imagine how awesome it will be to charge the pack the night before, show up and run all day without changing motor and battery.

ROAR needs to wake up, this is the future and it is time to make some decisions. R/C is dying and new rules need to made to ensure that the sport continues to grow.
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Old 02-27-2007, 08:39 PM   #109
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Before you guys go ripping ROAR a new one look at yourselves and ask what you are doing to help the situation.

Are you a ROAR member?
Have you contacted ROAR (Emailed the ExCom) about what you would like to see in the 2008 rules?

I was on the ExCom for several months until personal time constraints made it so I no longer had the time i needed to do a good job in my position.

I can tell you that we get almost zero feed back from members. Most get thier member cars once a year and that all we hear from them.

If you want something done then you need to act. The ExCom is not a bunch of mind readers that will magically know what people want...especially what non-members want.

I can tell you with certainty that they will listen. The 4 cell thing was a done deal until the masses spoke up and told ROAR that they were not interested in 4 cell racing in the US.

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cherry is a attention whore, he doesn't believe half the things he posts (self admitted and over heard in the pits) he just does it to get a response, his number of friends is getting smaller and smaller here in the northwest so hes reaching out for more attention. i like to run stock (stock truck times faster then mod buggy) and he likes to refer to me and others as "turtles" this explains his avatar and my screen name. ignore him and he will disappear.
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Old 02-27-2007, 09:33 PM   #111
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i run 4 cell
oh wait wrong thread
but i think 5 cell in 19t and mod is good but stock,it will be a fast mini.
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cherry is a attention whore, he doesn't believe half the things he posts (self admitted and over heard in the pits) he just does it to get a response, his number of friends is getting smaller and smaller here in the northwest so hes reaching out for more attention. i like to run stock (stock truck times faster then mod buggy) and he likes to refer to me and others as "turtles" this explains his avatar and my screen name. ignore him and he will disappear.


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Old 02-28-2007, 12:22 AM   #113
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You need to have a 1350g rule for 5cells, otherwise it's indeed slow on 27t/19t. The lightweight makes the corner speed huge different, which make huge different on laptime.

I'm running 23T stock (here we do 23T as stock) with my ultra-lightweight 1380g T1 with 6cells old-old GP3300 (2+yrs old), and I've no problem to keepup with 1520g 6cells IB4200WC car. Lose a few on straight, but catchup, even pass, in every corner.
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Most of my wrenching time is done at the track.
Mostly because when I begin a repair or replacement its more of a convenience to have the parts near by in the shop...

As far as falling to bits....

I build um "tite" baby !!!
That is very different over here proberly 20% of meets have trackside shop & that will be a mobile one
but like i said very organised racing over here & you have to be BRCA member to carry on racing after 3 race meetings ,so `Backyard Bashing` as you say in the States is nigh on extinct in the UK
in over 20years in this `Hobby` i`ve come across 3 turn up & have a laugh with anything you got meeting in a carpark
just doesn`t happen over here all proffessionally Run & done club meetings

so we do run to a tight set of rules ,which in the last 2 years has gone pear shaped ,which has added confusion discontent No direction to what racers want to do


all the clubs can run what rules they want really (as the BRCA defenders point out)
But as i point out racers don`t want willy nilly different rules for different clubs ,they just want to race against other racers with `VERY SIMILIER` equipment thats it that are consisitent from one club/series to another so they can travel between clubs & help support there Future with out fear over buying extra gear to fit in that perticular club

stabilisation is what`s needed

5cell 27t/19t/mod
1 weight
1 cell count from club -Nats inc series operators aswell from jan 08 onwards

do they do a 6v lipo anywhere ,which could fuit in with 5 cell??
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Old 02-28-2007, 01:36 AM   #115
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You need to have a 1350g rule for 5cells, otherwise it's indeed slow on 27t/19t. The lightweight makes the corner speed huge different, which make huge different on laptime.

I'm running 23T stock (here we do 23T as stock) with my ultra-lightweight 1380g T1 with 6cells old-old GP3300 (2+yrs old), and I've no problem to keepup with 1520g 6cells IB4200WC car. Lose a few on straight, but catchup, even pass, in every corner.
my only grip with that 1350g is
this makes racers spend more money also penalise the chassis that will struggle big time to get that low

i have a FK04 weighs in @1515g
-1 cell 70g- 30g of weight
so i can get 100g off with out spending money down to 1415

i don`t like rules that make racers spend money which other wise they wouldn`t do
it`s there money ,there choice

so my 1435g or even 1400g,


This Following post is alittle grip about how this particular Rule penalise non money spenders on ..........
oh this weight is incuding transponder aswell ,the hand out ones weigh 20g & i can`t see why some one with a PT runs a lighter car then the guy who runs a handout !!!!!!!!!!!.......
both cars weigh 1500, the guy who has handout now has a 1520g car but the PT guy still has a 1500g car
very silly little rule ,but it`s really bloody annoying knowing you are penalised for not spending 70.00 to be same wieight as the PT guy
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my only grip with that 1350g is
this makes racers spend more money also penalise the chassis that will struggle big time to get that low

i have a FK04 weighs in @1515g
-1 cell 70g- 30g of weight
so i can get 100g off with out spending money down to 1415

i don`t like rules that make racers spend money which other wise they wouldn`t do
it`s there money ,there choice

so my 1435g or even 1400g,
The problem for T1 series is the suspension is way too heavy in nowday standard. So if you can finger out replacing T1 suspension with other lightweight suspension, 1350g is easy to make, doesn't need any fancy costy lightweight stuff except Ti screw/rod (which is not expensive).
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Yep i can see how that would work

but i would be happy with 1400g no probs ,
1350g though i would feel guys with the most money & buy the latest stuff would have a unfair advantage

just remember this is a really small market ;;racing 1/10th cars ,if the rule makers upset even 100 racers it has a instant affect on the hobby
the hobby hasen't got a unlimited pool of racers to pick from , the pool is ltd to the few that stick at it ,

unlike a sweet shop if it`s piss`s off 100 buyers there will be another 100 buyer`s to replace them with in the month or so ...

unless your in a village or Hamlet ,then you go bust
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I don't see what all the fuss is about....

I'm very new to the sport so that's probably got a lot to do with it, but I've seen more about incorrectly charged NimH batteries than LiPos

Let people use whatever batteries they want as long as they make the weight surely ?

I've recently put a fair amount of cash into getting started, and chose a lipo battery.

I worked it out as:
3300/3700/4200 packs: 60 ish each (and you'd need 3 or so for a night's racing)
Lipo: 80 and you need one
Charger for nimh: a lot (up to 200 for some)
Lipo charger starts from 15 ish

for me starting out, it's a no-brainer...
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just run 5 cell and get it over with
drop the weight down
there done
now back to having fun,
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Yep i can see how that would work

but i would be happy with 1400g no probs ,
1350g though i would feel guys with the most money & buy the latest stuff would have a unfair advantage
Sorry, what's the unfair advantage?

In any competitive sport or hobby, there is always the impression (and sometimes truth) that money can buy an advantage. It might be unfortunate, but I don't see why that is unfair. It's just part of the hobby.

As long as we all play by the same set of rules, there is no UNFAIR advantage, just a POTENTIAL advantage. I've seen many drivers with outdated equipment and racing on a shoestring budget whoop up on the big spenders.
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