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Old 03-07-2007, 09:51 AM   #256
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Maybe it is just me who knows how to use the correct 'punch' setting on my ESC then, as I don't have thermaling problems in 19t indoors then, oh, and Terry. It just seems an aweful long winded way of slowing things down
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Old 03-07-2007, 09:59 AM   #257
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how about setting a poll up for uk racers.keep 6 cell or go 5 cell
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Old 03-07-2007, 09:59 AM   #258
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One thing is for sure- Nimh will be here to stay for at least this year.

So... being logical....

The only way you could possibly see how 5 cell goes compared to 6 cell is for someone to do a comparison with the same car, but race in two classes for a race series somewhere.

IF (small word,big meening) someone was prepared to do that and a club was willing to try it, we may find some answers.

I dont think racers alone can make this happen. Neither can clubs just offer a 5 and 6 cell class when very few racers would want the hassle of it.

Maybe I am being negative, or unreasonable, but if you at least have a heat of 5 or 6 people racing 5 cell will you find some true answers.

Im not flaming here, but is one racers findings in 5 cell enough for others to be convinced?

Like many others here, I will be happy to suggest things and look at all the angles of this topic, but I wont be tearing my cells apart for love nor money!

Anyone got any popcorn? We could be here a while....
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Old 03-07-2007, 10:00 AM   #259
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its not going to save you money because you will need the best 5 cell packs you can get your hands on.its ok saying that you can drop a cell from our 6 cell packs but i really dont think that this will be that good.

wear and tear is going to be just the same by the time we gear up to try and get some speed we will need to skim motors more often because we are canning the life out of them.

hows it going to make you drive better

how do you think the top boys are on top? because they have put the effort in and are now reaping the rewards.they have spent years gaining knolage on setups driveing etc.they were at the bottom once

hows it easy to do 5 cell tc and 6 cell buggy cant float from one to the other in that.

some clubs eg eastbourne there indoor track is only really big enough for 27 turn.19 turn would be just to fast even if it is 5 cell
your going get such a beating on friday stu (racing that is )

how do you know you will need the best packs ,that holds true in 6 cell 27t now ,so no change there FACT

wear & tear
i havent skimmed every run at all while i raced 27t (FACT)

HEAT 6 car 8

http://www.maritimeracing.co.uk/

look at the maritme results ROUND 3
1st 8 40 Colin Witt 23 243.91 +18.62 10.22 10.62
2nd 4 53 Barry Montague 22 243.80 +1 Lap 10.61 11.10
3rd 2 54 Paul Ellis 22 246.42 +1 Lap 10.40 11.22
4th 5 39 Geoff Wallace 22 246.96 +1 Lap 10.41 11.21
5th 3 1 Ian Knight 22 247.26 +1 Lap 10.38 11.24
6th 1 5 Tony Broad 22 249.43 +1 Lap 10.80 11.35
7th 7 127 Andy Gray 20 244.80 +3 Laps 10.71 12.22
8th 6 145 Peter Harridence 20 245.39 +3 Laps 10.43 12.33



you only do this after you have cooked the bugger through heat ,which doesn`t happen in 5 cell (FACT)


it won`t easy to do off-raod & TC
same as 1/12th & TC, how about 1/12th- 5 cell mod this year
how do i think the top boys are on top in 27t/19t
they throw more money at it & buy new tyre`s every meet (even new tyre`s for WKRCC ,which i don`t )
they buy rebrush & skim there stocks more aften then average joe
5 cell will ease that up

where`s me 5.00 skiv you div
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Im not flaming here, but is one racers findings in 5 cell enough for others to be convinced?

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here`s your popcorn



Yes
No not really ,but i`m going to use this setup for a while another month

my fear is the outdoor tracks .so once i get my FK04 (another one) of whoever has it down maritime
then i be outside ,poking fun at you lot for not listening
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adding to what I have already typed, a good range of motors and cells need to be tried. I think that would be a very fair comparison.

Racing is different everywhere, so the more clubs that try it, the more feedback you have.

I think the topic goes stale because few are prepared to try it, but the answer is still out there somewhere.

kudos goes to the people trying different things though.
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At least you're giving it a shot...I'll just wait until LiPo are legal. Probably 90% of people at our track are already running them so..no changes...no testing. Plus, it's REAL hard to test 5-cell in a Tamiya Mini.
there be a lipo 6v soon so EVERY one be happy
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lol skiv u div thats quite funny.
ive really got to kick ur arse on friday lol
just saying how i c it.maybe once youve geared to the hilt it may be differnt.
but my point on the top guys being at the top is a good one.you can throw as much as u like at raceing but if you cant drive then your not going to be any good.some people race all the time but still reach a level where they are never going to get any better no matter how much they practice.
but the guys at the top are there for a reason they have put the effort and time in.so even if you drop the extra cell to try and even things up i really dont think that the slower guys that are slow at the moment in 6 cell are going to get better results in 5 cell
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how about setting a poll up for uk racers.keep 6 cell or go 5 cell
for that to be fair
racers need to see 5 cell in the flesh ,going round the track lapping them & all
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here`s your popcorn



Yes
No not really ,but i`m going to use this setup for a while another month

my fear is the outdoor tracks .so once i get my FK04 (another one) of whoever has it down maritime
then i be outside ,poking fun at you lot for not listening
At least you're giving it a shot...I'll just wait until LiPo are legal. Probably 90% of people at our track are already running them so..no changes...no testing. Plus, it's REAL hard to test 5-cell in a Tamiya Mini.
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here`s your popcorn



Yes
No not really ,but i`m going to use this setup for a while another month

my fear is the outdoor tracks .so once i get my FK04 (another one) of whoever has it down maritime
then i be outside ,poking fun at you lot for not listening
lmao

It better not be tesco value or you can have it back!

I'll listen and i'll comment but we all know its not as simple as it sounds...
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Old 03-07-2007, 10:20 AM   #267
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it`s sounds really cool you guy`s come out with all these figures from text books stuff on what a electric motor or c-battery's does when it`s being thrashed to bits & all
most of this is done in labratory conditions by Nerds's
not done by use `Normal abusive racers`

out here in the real world ,things happen that can`t be explanied
it`s called `Human users`
so my batts coming off cool is the opposite of what your books say ...

so would you listen if a factory team driver who TQ`s every meeting used it & say's it works or will you still listen to me coz i`m not a `team driver` stuff

like i said ,it`s 'sort' of working,more testing to be done ....


one other thing if it`s to big a change to go 5 cell 1400g
how about keep 6 cell/1500g BUT add 5 cell/1400g aswell in to the affray
have this for a year to see how it goes
both class`s race together ........

if silver can comes in i`ll shoot my self ,even in 6 cell
Well some people copy and paste from text books or some crap website where they don't mention conditions and type of motors being used.

Text books are wrong for some and right for others, here we see that common sense and people trying 5 cell is coming back with positive results. Batteries cooler, motor cooler, esc cooler..... which means less current being pulled

**Our motors do not give any feedback to the esc(open loop circuit),so therefore the esc does not care what the motor is up to when the voltage was at 7.2 or now 6v. If the motor gave feedback to the esc ( closed loop circuit) and the esc monitored the motor then yes the esc would drive the motor harder.***

Everyone happy that 5 cell equals less current drawn!!
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If I get the chance, I will give it a pop, but I am not convinced at all, and to be honest, even if it did work, I still wouldn't run it, I race to go fast, and I go as fast as the track allows, simple as.

At a guess, those who are skimming, buying new tyres etc, they would still do it in 5cell, so no change there, plus gearing would need to be more 'precise' too.
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its not going to save you money because you will need the best 5 cell packs you can get your hands on.its ok saying that you can drop a cell from our 6 cell packs but i really dont think that this will be that good.
That is already said now. Try and take an average 6 cell pack to a large club race and expect to win, it just wont happen. People are already currently getting the best cells for 6 cell racing NOW. That will not change.
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Would you guys get off the crap that going to 5 cells will force people to get BETTER batteries than they have now?!? Every hardcore racer I know ALREADY gets the best batteries he (or she) can afford. Adjusting the number of cells will never change this fact. The battery war never ended, it just changed when we went to these newer high capacity cells. The old war was on runtime, now the war is with voltage. But, the prices we are paying for cells has never been cheaper.

And, we know that most of the people that visit these forums don't want to slow down. So, if we do move to a lower voltage battery, move up a class and get your speed back! Plus... we've been seeing results from several people that show that lap times DECREASE with less voltage. So, it looks like the old adage taught in all forms of racing is holding true... you have to slow down to go fast!

So, think about the long term health of the hobby and what it will take to get new racers and keep old ones. Our hobby has been shrinking for quite some time. Too many tracks have closed and hobby shops are going out of business. SOMETHING needs to change, and the change we need isn't an increase in speed.
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