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Old 02-06-2007, 08:01 AM   #1
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I'm about to buy a bunch of mod motors for my national racing this year and im torn between two types of motors.

Im running 5 cell at the 1350g weight limit and brushless is kinda out of the question because it will be too heavy.

So i cant decide between a Checkpoint motor and a Team Orion Oscar Jansen Motor.

Ive had problems in the past with Orion V2's that dust gets in the brush hoods easily and causes problems. But ive never tried a Checkpoint motor.

I want obviously the fastest motor i can so i will be using very fast winds but i need the motor to have good wear rates aswell. I would assume the checkpoints brushes also last a long time?

any help anyone can give me to make my mind up with be much appreciated.

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Old 02-06-2007, 08:23 AM   #2
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Are you running in outdoor medium/large size track?
If so... even if you are at 1450 weight with a Brushless, the power advantage of the brushless over the brushed would be so great that it would outweight the extra 100 grams.

Also don't be so sure that brushless is much heavier than brushed. If you include the shotcky's and capacitors required for brushed you are not that far off the weight of a brushless configurations. Difference would be max 20-25 grams, with the brushless being heavier.

I have tested 5 cell brushed and brushless and the brushed doesn't have a chance. Only in a very small indoor track the brushed can compete against the brushless.

Now, if you insist on buying brushed, both motors, Orion OJ Edition and Checkpoint are good.

I would go for the Orion OJ Edition simply because no soldering is required anymore and this makes life soooo much easier.

Regerding dirt getting inside the brush hoods.. this can happen to all types of motors.. you need to do some cleaning at some point regardles of the design.

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Old 02-06-2007, 10:55 AM   #3
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thanks John,

I will be running it on the medium to large british tracks

I wasnt sure whether brushless would give an advantage mainly because of the weight but you arent the first person to suggest to me that it would.

As with the brush hoods, i accept that some cleaning is required but i've had brushes get stuck in the middle of a race straight after a strip down.

It just seems to be a little more common on the V2 motors.

I will investigate more in brushless as well.
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my vote would also be fore the Oscar jansen motors. I really like the fact that the endbell uses a plug compared to soldering onto the tabs
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Old 02-06-2007, 11:08 AM   #5
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don't you get far more runs on the checkpoint motor brushes, than you do on the v2 brushes, or with the new smaller 3.8mm orion brushes are we seeing similar wear rates?
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Sleighty

Well this is pretty much the case now with brushless. I have seen the majority of the outdoor tracks in U.K. and going brushed would be a suicide. Its THAT big of a difference...

Its time you invest in a brushless system..

I must say.. I am still surprised you had problems with dirt entering the brush hoods and blocking the brush movement.
I cannot think of a place with more dust than the track we race at as the non stop sunny weather prevents the surface from being clean..
.. and yet I never had any issues with brushes getting stuck.

anyway.. it is time for brushless and the end to your headaches.
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Old 02-07-2007, 11:48 AM   #7
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The OJ motor is the current World Champion in TC.

Also if your looking for Brushless the new Vortex BL motor that we have coming soon is also the current European Champ.

Just putting that out there.
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For me it's all about distribution. In my area, Orion/Peak are found everywhere. Checkpoint is only available thru Great Planes and some of our local hobbby shops do not deal with GP. Both motors are fast and which ever you pick, I'm sure you'll be happy with.
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thanks John,

I will be running it on the medium to large british tracks

I wasnt sure whether brushless would give an advantage mainly because of the weight but you arent the first person to suggest to me that it would.

As with the brush hoods, i accept that some cleaning is required but i've had brushes get stuck in the middle of a race straight after a strip down.

It just seems to be a little more common on the V2 motors.

I will investigate more in brushless as well.
On medium and large tracks, and 5-cell, it will be faster with brushless even if your car get a bit heavier. And cheeper. And simplier. Period.
But it´s your money, so...
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hi guys! any starting FDR for CP 7x1 on rubber/asphalt(indoor). thanks!

air temp around 30-37c
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From talking to people, it seems that 5 cell, brushless is the daddy, period. Check out the new Tekin R1 due for release, definately noo weight issue there.
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just like to thank everyone for their input, i already had a brushless and since doing the testing with 5 cell ive found that you guys are indeed correct.

Brushless it is then
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Hey Paul,

Which brushless controller are you running? I might have a prototype for you to try out?

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hi guys! any starting FDR for CheckPoint 7x1 on rubber/asphalt(indoor). thanks!

air temp around 30-37c
bump!

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Which brushless controller are you running? I might have a prototype for you to try out?

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