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Old 01-05-2007, 09:21 AM   #31
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Darkdeid: your option would be no option, there would be no brushed motors to vote on. When that day come's we'll be voting on witch plane to run. I guess if the only person your racing is a brushed, he might let you race him. Were coming into brushed territory trying to define a place between the two. Now please be a pillar to the community.

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Your lucky... Most places do not seem to have a enough BL to run in it's own class, and I know at A-Train, they did have BL class but it was short lived. My little poll is to show how people would race if they had the option. So you are telling me (let's turn the tables...) note: you do not have a "19T" class at your club, so if you have a BL 4300 class and someone shows up with a brushed 19T motor you would not let them run with you? Just trying to understand...
We've actually had that happen before. Someone showing up with a 19t looking to run in the 4300 class. That was put to an end quickly! We run our 4300 BL class as a "close as possible to spec" class. Everyone runs 4300 BL, foam tires, with a 51oz weight limit. Thats it, nothing else allowed.

It may sound harsh and a bit hipocritical for BL people to shut out brush guys, especially considering how BL guys are often shut out, but 4300 BL has done A LOT to revive TC racing over the winter in this area. Bringing it back from near dead status. And those of us who run the class defend it from being altered with an almost fanatic effort. Especially when it envolves allowing anything brushed.
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bvolt stand tall this an important poll. To the R/C tech community.And any track cordinater reading.

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Dark killing brush would be harsh. I'm sure thats not your goal are you say send the brushed guy home? Take your 19 to the play ground. Your being heard right now. Your vote is to be counted, if you dont vote you wont be counted.

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UN4RACING: Man, your taking this poll thing kinda seriously aren't you. I guess cause I've been around to see so many of them, I don't consider them the life and death of R/C.

I'm not telling him that there is anything wrong with his poll, just letting him know that there are some cases where some of us are lucky enough not to need the brushed guys to "let" us in with them.

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Or if the it was brush brushless no number on the brushless motor you would vote?

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Since the poll is apparently that important. Like Syndrome, I found a option that would accurately portray my "BL anytime...anywhere" belief.

So now I am a pillar.

And contrary to Syndrome's claim, I do believe I hold the title as 'most hated' pillar.
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Old 01-05-2007, 09:41 AM   #38
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I hear ya same here, but he did take the time to do this poll. And I'm just informing to. Yes its serious to me and I guess only me to know what everyone wants. If I or we can get your vote it could help, I believe. And I can respect your views either way its not the end of the world. I think brushed and brushed can get along ,and you raise apoint it cant thats all.

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Dark you are a man after my own heart.
I am 1 who likes you, so feel good your a huge pillar 7,310.

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Old 01-05-2007, 09:59 AM   #40
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Hallö LRP and Novak can made a speedcontroler for stock racing brussles.if ju go fore 27 stock lets say the speedo only alowes 19000 rpm and fore 19t 28000 rpm and as long the batteries are conected a lamp whill go green if you are racing 27 and red if you race 19 no problems in inspectione.Butt the company who made stock motors are not happy
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We've actually had that happen before. Someone showing up with a 19t looking to run in the 4300 class. That was put to an end quickly! We run our 4300 BL class as a "close as possible to spec" class. Everyone runs 4300 BL, foam tires, with a 51oz weight limit. Thats it, nothing else allowed.

It may sound harsh and a bit hipocritical for BL people to shut out brush guys, especially considering how BL guys are often shut out, but 4300 BL has done A LOT to revive TC racing over the winter in this area. Bringing it back from near dead status. And those of us who run the class defend it from being altered with an almost fanatic effort. Especially when it envolves allowing anything brushed.
Interesting... Justice in the end... Brushed had the same feelings but now the tables are turning... In a sick way, I like it, and can understand your point of view from the stand point that BL 4300 has saved TC in your area... Would that be funny, at the end Brushed people bagging to run with BL… Now that is funny, in a way….
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Interesting... Justice in the end... Brushed had the same feelings but now the tables are turning... In a sick way, I like it, and can understand your point of view from the stand point that BL 4300 has saved TC in your area... Would that be funny, at the end Brushed people bagging to run with BL… Now that is funny, in a way….
Of course, we'd prefer not to leave anyone out. But once you start making exceptions in a spec or 'as close as possible' spec class, you might as well pack up the tents...cause its over.

I just took a look back at my post and feel the need to clarify something, I definitely don't have anything against brushed racing. For some with the budget, time, and motor tuning skills, it may be the only way they can see racing. For those people, seeing R/C go BL/Lipo is like watching the FIA turn the once 'tuners paradise' of F1, into spec racing. And I feel their pain from that point of view.

But for an increasing number of people, BL/Lipo is the last chance they're giving for this hobby to be successful, fun, and affoardable.
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Change is upon us and, as in the past, there will be no way of stopping it. I am from the oldest school (actually ran Mabuchi 540s in their 'stock' form) and I won't miss brushes at all. Brushless should actually make stock and 19t classes more equal (no buying several motors hoping that one will be a hot motor, no more hours of tweeking springs and brushes, no special tools or magnet zappers, etc) as long as ROAR QUICKLY developes rules for them.

In a nutshell, what is needed is a power rule.

The motor cannot exceed X watts or Y RPM and cannot hit max RPM in less than Z milliseconds.

This should limit torque and RPM making all of the motors as equal as possible. Now we can get back to finding out who is the best driver.

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The difference I'm seeing is club night's vs national events. This thread can help define a national event, and give disgression to local club nights.
Oh and darkseid I'm going to catch up.

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