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Old 08-13-2003, 10:42 PM   #196
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I absolutely completely agree with what RBF says! Also, the 23Turn I tried in practice was run with very good batteries and new tires. The BL guys were running practice packs and tyres. My times were a couple tenths off theirs but I think they were just trying to sucker me into running with them haha.

Sooner or later RBF, I'll be running the 23 against you guys hehehe

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OK here's my personal opinion and observation..

When geared at the recommended FDR of 7.3:1 in My TB Evolution, I would rate the SS Brushless in Unlimited Profile to a very fast 11 Turn or there abouts.

When I first got my SS I had a straight line drag with my brother who had a 9 Turn D5 flatliner in his Xray. At the end of the run he was only just ahead of me.

Secondly I used to run a Monster stock Pro in my TB and I would have to say that in Limited Mode and with the 7.3:1 FDR the SS System would have it all over the monster in acceleration but in the top end the Monster just seemed to pull a little better.

Now the above can have a lot to do with gearing, Track etc but this is just how I see the performance of the Novak SS...

None the less the SS is a great Investment and I am sure you will love it if you decide to convert. Everyone I know has no complaints with what it does.

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Old 08-13-2003, 10:55 PM   #198
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Would the limited mode be faster then a moster stock in max rpm?Or would it slower.
Depends how good your Monster is...

I think my last Monster Pro could do a lot better than 22,000
before it got displaced by the Novak SS.

No fun running in Mode 6 anyway... defeats the purpose.
Gimme the full POWER!!
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Old 08-13-2003, 11:04 PM   #199
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At our track Stock is 1 sec off Mod times, BL & 19T are right in the middle of that, and from what I hear a very quick 23T is FASSST !
Dare say, is this a relatively SMALL/TIGHT track?
On a larger track, the difference would be more marked.

Mods make up their laptimes from sheer straightway speeds...
that's where the 40,000rpm+ comes into play.

Stocks have more torque and keep up with Mods in the twisties,
but they simply get blown away on the straights.
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Old 08-13-2003, 11:08 PM   #200
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Depends how good your Monster is...

I think my last Monster Pro could do a lot better than 22,000
before it got displaced by the Novak SS.

No fun running in Mode 6 anyway... defeats the purpose.
Gimme the full POWER!!
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Open mode is SILLY fun with this motor
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Old 08-13-2003, 11:29 PM   #201
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Torque # was awsome too.I understand it defeats the purpose to run it soley for stock,but would I have an advantage over a really good monster in mode 6?Thats what I need to know before purchasing.I don't want to be at a huge advantage because That would not be fair.But want to promote bl motors at my track.
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Old 08-14-2003, 01:26 AM   #202
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...would I have an advantage over a really good monster in mode 6?Thats what I need to know before purchasing.I don't want to be at a huge advantage because That would not be fair.
Its all in the *driving*, my friend... just be gentle on the throttle
and make all it seem you haven't got any huge advantage.

When we were chasing stockers for lunch with the SS, I was
feathering the trigger and on the straight I was only using
half throttle (just put 'bird' finger under the trigger to limit throw)
so that we didn't run them off the track.


But the main trouble is... driving Mod has a different style to
driving Stock. Stockers have to maintain their velocity through
the corners, whereas Mod might lap quicker with a snip-n-scoot
style. SS has the torque to pull off Mod-style driving.
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Old 08-14-2003, 02:53 AM   #203
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Torque # was awsome too.I understand it defeats the purpose to run it soley for stock,but would I have an advantage over a really good monster in mode 6?Thats what I need to know before purchasing.I don't want to be at a huge advantage because That would not be fair.But want to promote bl motors at my track.
You should have no problems catching stockers since the Novak has tons of torque so you can just throw on a massive pinion to blow them away. The monsters may have more rpm but they have very little torque.

The sportsman mode is not even close to a stock motor and was never designed to be on par with a stock motor. From what I've seen I'd rate the sportsman mode closer to a 23t motor or a slow 19t
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Old 08-14-2003, 09:58 AM   #204
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I've spoken to hundreds of very happy Super Sport users and most have reported that the SS is about the same "Speed On the Track" as an 11 or 12 turn motor. This is from On-Road and Offroad Racers.

If you run a very small track with short straits and lots of 180's the SS will seem bit slower, but that is always the case, small tracks make for very small difference between Mod and Stock track speeds/times.

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Old 08-14-2003, 09:24 PM   #205
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Torque # was awsome too.I understand it defeats the purpose to run it soley for stock,but would I have an advantage over a really good monster in mode 6?Thats what I need to know before purchasing.I don't want to be at a huge advantage because That would not be fair.But want to promote bl motors at my track.
Buy me one and I'll run BL with you racenut123 at the track.
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Old 08-14-2003, 10:42 PM   #206
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so what kind of gearing do you guys recommend..
used it on a yokomo sd ssg with a final gear ratio of 7.03 but i still feel that its undergeared...
any suggestions?
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Man, I raced the BL in mode 6 Sunday. Ok, it was way faster than the stockers. Those guys were pissed. Having only ever raced stocks myself, throttle control was my downfall. That thing would go nuts out of the corners if I nailed it. My chassis handled it great but I need a lot of practice to make it work for me. I let one of the fast guys from mod run it once and he lapped the field 3 times. Should have seen the grin on his face when he was done. I didn't even try it on unlimited for fear of smashing my car given my marginal driving skills. It was 100deg F with track temp of 150deg F so everything was hot but the controller never got too hot, maybe 170deg with a 7.2:1 gear so I am stoked. I think at least 3 more guys are going to buy them. I think a BL class is gonna take off here. This is by far the best money I've spent on r/c stuff so far. Thanks Novak!
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Old 08-18-2003, 11:33 PM   #208
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Cant wait, I'm getting one tomorrow
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Old 08-18-2003, 11:49 PM   #209
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Quote:
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...it was way faster than the stockers. Those guys were pissed.
Told ya so...



Love the SS, but it's not gonna cut it for Mod racing. I don't think
it can keep up with the Mod boys running their 8t motors.

Right now, its the best thing out there for practising & bashing.
My primary use would be just churning out laps and getting the
car setup spot on... nothing like excess power & speed to reveal
all defects in handling.

... and save the 8ts for race day.
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Gear it like a stock about 32mm rollout then it hoots.
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