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Old 08-12-2003, 05:11 PM   #181
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I just got my SS. Can't wait till Sunday to try it out. Our race director said I could run it in stock in mode 6 or with 4 cells in unlimited. Anybody take a guess which would be faster given equal gearing? I'm starting with a 7.2:1 gear on a track where a 8.0:1 is norm for a Monster stock.

It even matches my Atlas. hehe



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Old 08-12-2003, 07:11 PM   #182
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Our race director said I could run it in stock in mode 6 or with 4 cells in unlimited.
I'd take the mode 6 (limited revs) with 6-cells... the "UNLIMITED" TORQUE will blow brushed stockers away.


Anyone else using SS in 'stock' there?

What eventually happen is that they'll either ban brushless in
stock, or everybody will have to buy an SS to stay competitive.

If nobody else wants to spend $$, majority rules...
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Old 08-12-2003, 10:45 PM   #183
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Nope, I'll be the first. I know some guys are gonna squawk. I would if it wasn't me. I know a few guys will buy the SS because it is better in the long run. The race dir is encouraging me to do it. I guess he wants to shake things up a bit. This is going to be a long week waiting to drive it.

And tell me if this sounds right. I should start charging for runtime since the volts required is lower, I could go for runtime and keep the initial voltage level longer and be full speed the whole 5 mins instead of dropping off a bit near the end. Or just keep charging 5amps and don't sweat it.
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Sorry Guys, this thread is a bit mixed up on my cool customer service Mac today. I'm not sure whats new or not, the dates are mixed, other threads are okay, just this one, I don't know. Sorry for the delay, I must have missed this one somehow.

Claydoh- Usually we gear a few teeth lower than a monster stock to start.

WC- It's very easy to shim the motor if you need, remove the 3 larger cap head screw from the "Front" or output shaft side, slide off the front endbell and add shims if needed. But, it won't move around enough to effect too much.


The Limited profile in for a "Stock" class will still be a little bit faster is what we've found. You can gear lower to make it the same speed. You'll run up on the rev limiter and get that tell tail surge, but its not that bad. 4 cells will handle surpisingly well as the car is a lot lighter.

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Thanks Charlie.
Have so far resisted taking anything on the SS apart.

On the skinny RW spur the pinion can move only 50% off one way
and 50% off the other way so if care is taken with the reach
when putting the pinion on, that's not a major issue.

Might revisit when unable to resist opening it "for a look".

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Nope, I'll be the first. I know some guys are gonna squawk. I would if it wasn't me. I know a few guys will buy the SS because it is better in the long run. The race dir is encouraging me to do it. I guess he wants to shake things up a bit. This is going to be a long week waiting to drive it.
Drive "smart" in the race. If you're the type who floors the
throttle on exit of every turn, you'll find your SS'd car will be
ramming the butts of every stocker you're following... so
learn a bit of throttle-finesse.

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And tell me if this sounds right. I should start charging for runtime since the volts required is lower, I could go for runtime and keep the initial voltage level longer and be full speed the whole 5 mins instead of dropping off a bit near the end. Or just keep charging 5amps and don't sweat it.
Runtime is the LEAST of your worries!

I was practising with ancient batteries... 1500, 1700, 2000...
and they all made 5+ mins at full unlimited pace.

Most amazing thing was... the Torque seems unaffected by the
battery's condition; packs that had zilch 'punch' with std motors
did not make much difference to the SS. (It was too strange being
able to sniff at the tails of the mod boys whilst running a 1500?!!)
Packs with "good voltage" did a little better on the straight, but
did not have noticeably better punch/torque.
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Runtime is the LEAST of your worries!

I was practising with ancient batteries... 1500, 1700, 2000...
and they all made 5+ mins at full unlimited pace.

Most amazing thing was... the Torque seems unaffected by the
battery's condition; packs that had zilch 'punch' with std motors
did not make much difference to the SS. (It was too strange being
able to sniff at the tails of the mod boys whilst running a 1500?!!)
Packs with "good voltage" did a little better on the straight, but
did not have noticeably better punch/torque.
I totally agree. Having the same punch at the end of 5 mins in "limited Profile" will not be a worry. I find that at the end of 5 mins I do not notice any drop in performance in the SS in the limited mode.

I do some Saturday arvo Parking Lot racing with some friends who have the SS brushless system and we run in "limited profile" only.
We are all geared as close to the 7.3:1 FDR as possible and boy does it make for some exciting racing. It is only driving skill that seperates us and I have never had so much fun.

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Old 08-13-2003, 08:23 PM   #187
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r u guyz saying the SS can be run in stock profile???...is it the Jap stock limit 23turns or US limiit 27turns???...
i'm veri interested in getting this BL system...
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r u guyz saying the SS can be run in stock profile???...is it the Jap stock limit 23turns or US limiit 27turns???...
i'm veri interested in getting this BL system...
More like a very good 27T, a very good 23T is close to openSS speed.
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More like a very good 27T, a very good 23T is close to openSS speed.
the unlimited mode is way faster then a 23t motor!
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the unlimited mode is way faster then a 23t motor!
Have you personally run the two together at the same time ?
I saw last night how close an average 23T is to the SSBL. At our track Stock is 1 sec off Mod times, BL & 19T are right in the middle of that, and from what I hear a very quick 23T is FASSST !
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so the different profiles would emulate the different motors spec?...
ok,pardon for asking...using the fastest profile,the SS would b comparable to wat motor turns?
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so the different profiles would emulate the different motors spec?...
ok,pardon for asking...using the fastest profile,the SS would b comparable to wat motor turns?
10-11turns
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Default So in comparison...

Would the limited mode be faster then a moster stock in max rpm?Or would it slower.I already know it accelerates like a mod in this mode.I wanna know because I wanna buy onw but need to know if it compares to a moster stock in the limited mode.I don't want to buy one and then have people at the track say I am cheating.
But man,not maintaining a stock motor would be nice.
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so the different profiles would emulate the different motors spec?...
ok,pardon for asking...using the fastest profile,the SS would b comparable to wat motor turns?
The SSBL in open mode is comparable to very fast 19-23T, in stock mode it is close to a very fast 27T. In both cases the torque is better with the BL, but the top end is similar to brushed motors.
This is of course only my opinion, I have raced quite a bit of 19T and currently race with the NovakSS Brushless in open mode within our own BL class

They are very fun to run, with virtualy no maintanance it doesn't get easier than this, tyre wear is only slighty more than in 27T stock, and the speed is fun, but not so advanced as in Brushed Open Modified.
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I simply do not agree with the 10-11 turn comparison, of course brushed motors vary greatly in their output, you cannot compare a machine wound 10T to Bakers' or Pavidas' Reedy Krypton race winning motors
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