Novak Super Sport Brushless Motor System
08-12-2003, 04:11 PM
#181
I just got my SS. Can't wait till Sunday to try it out. Our race director said I could run it in stock in mode 6 or with 4 cells in unlimited. Anybody take a guess which would be faster given equal gearing? I'm starting with a 7.2:1 gear on a track where a 8.0:1 is norm for a Monster stock.
It even matches my Atlas. hehe
It even matches my Atlas. hehe
08-12-2003, 06:11 PM
#182
Originally posted by Claydoh
Our race director said I could run it in stock in mode 6 or with 4 cells in unlimited.
Our race director said I could run it in stock in mode 6 or with 4 cells in unlimited.
Anyone else using SS in 'stock' there?
What eventually happen is that they'll either ban brushless in
stock, or everybody will have to buy an SS to stay competitive.
If nobody else wants to spend $$, majority rules...
08-12-2003, 09:45 PM
#183
Nope, I'll be the first. I know some guys are gonna squawk. I would if it wasn't me. 
I know a few guys will buy the SS because it is better in the long run. The race dir is encouraging me to do it. I guess he wants to shake things up a bit. This is going to be a long week waiting to drive it.
And tell me if this sounds right. I should start charging for runtime since the volts required is lower, I could go for runtime and keep the initial voltage level longer and be full speed the whole 5 mins instead of dropping off a bit near the end. Or just keep charging 5amps and don't sweat it.
I know a few guys will buy the SS because it is better in the long run. The race dir is encouraging me to do it. I guess he wants to shake things up a bit. This is going to be a long week waiting to drive it.And tell me if this sounds right. I should start charging for runtime since the volts required is lower, I could go for runtime and keep the initial voltage level longer and be full speed the whole 5 mins instead of dropping off a bit near the end. Or just keep charging 5amps and don't sweat it.
08-13-2003, 04:07 PM
#184
Sorry Guys, this thread is a bit mixed up on my cool customer service Mac today. I'm not sure whats new or not, the dates are mixed, other threads are okay, just this one, I don't know. Sorry for the delay, I must have missed this one somehow.
Claydoh- Usually we gear a few teeth lower than a monster stock to start.
WC- It's very easy to shim the motor if you need, remove the 3 larger cap head screw from the "Front" or output shaft side, slide off the front endbell and add shims if needed. But, it won't move around enough to effect too much.
The Limited profile in for a "Stock" class will still be a little bit faster is what we've found. You can gear lower to make it the same speed. You'll run up on the rev limiter and get that tell tail surge, but its not that bad. 4 cells will handle surpisingly well as the car is a lot lighter.
Thanks,
Charlie
Claydoh- Usually we gear a few teeth lower than a monster stock to start.
WC- It's very easy to shim the motor if you need, remove the 3 larger cap head screw from the "Front" or output shaft side, slide off the front endbell and add shims if needed. But, it won't move around enough to effect too much.
The Limited profile in for a "Stock" class will still be a little bit faster is what we've found. You can gear lower to make it the same speed. You'll run up on the rev limiter and get that tell tail surge, but its not that bad. 4 cells will handle surpisingly well as the car is a lot lighter.
Thanks,
Charlie
08-13-2003, 06:22 PM
#185
Thanks Charlie.
Have so far resisted taking anything on the SS apart.
On the skinny RW spur the pinion can move only 50% off one way
and 50% off the other way so if care is taken with the reach
when putting the pinion on, that's not a major issue.
Might revisit when unable to resist opening it "for a look".
Drive "smart" in the race. If you're the type who floors the
throttle on exit of every turn, you'll find your SS'd car will be
ramming the butts of every stocker you're following... so
learn a bit of throttle-finesse.
Runtime is the LEAST of your worries!
I was practising with ancient batteries... 1500, 1700, 2000...
and they all made 5+ mins at full unlimited pace.
Most amazing thing was... the Torque seems unaffected by the
battery's condition; packs that had zilch 'punch' with std motors
did not make much difference to the SS. (It was too strange being
able to sniff at the tails of the mod boys whilst running a 1500?!!)
Packs with "good voltage" did a little better on the straight, but
did not have noticeably better punch/torque.
Have so far resisted taking anything on the SS apart.
On the skinny RW spur the pinion can move only 50% off one way
and 50% off the other way so if care is taken with the reach
when putting the pinion on, that's not a major issue.
Might revisit when unable to resist opening it "for a look".
Originally posted by Claydoh
Nope, I'll be the first. I know some guys are gonna squawk. I would if it wasn't me. I know a few guys will buy the SS because it is better in the long run. The race dir is encouraging me to do it. I guess he wants to shake things up a bit. This is going to be a long week waiting to drive it.
Nope, I'll be the first. I know some guys are gonna squawk. I would if it wasn't me.
I know a few guys will buy the SS because it is better in the long run. The race dir is encouraging me to do it. I guess he wants to shake things up a bit. This is going to be a long week waiting to drive it.
throttle on exit of every turn, you'll find your SS'd car will be
ramming the butts of every stocker you're following... so
learn a bit of throttle-finesse.
And tell me if this sounds right. I should start charging for runtime since the volts required is lower, I could go for runtime and keep the initial voltage level longer and be full speed the whole 5 mins instead of dropping off a bit near the end. Or just keep charging 5amps and don't sweat it.
I was practising with ancient batteries... 1500, 1700, 2000...
and they all made 5+ mins at full unlimited pace.
Most amazing thing was... the Torque seems unaffected by the
battery's condition; packs that had zilch 'punch' with std motors
did not make much difference to the SS. (It was too strange being
able to sniff at the tails of the mod boys whilst running a 1500?!!)
Packs with "good voltage" did a little better on the straight, but
did not have noticeably better punch/torque.
08-13-2003, 06:46 PM
#186
Originally posted by WC
Runtime is the LEAST of your worries!
I was practising with ancient batteries... 1500, 1700, 2000...
and they all made 5+ mins at full unlimited pace.
Most amazing thing was... the Torque seems unaffected by the
battery's condition; packs that had zilch 'punch' with std motors
did not make much difference to the SS. (It was too strange being
able to sniff at the tails of the mod boys whilst running a 1500?!!)
Packs with "good voltage" did a little better on the straight, but
did not have noticeably better punch/torque.
Runtime is the LEAST of your worries!
I was practising with ancient batteries... 1500, 1700, 2000...
and they all made 5+ mins at full unlimited pace.
Most amazing thing was... the Torque seems unaffected by the
battery's condition; packs that had zilch 'punch' with std motors
did not make much difference to the SS. (It was too strange being
able to sniff at the tails of the mod boys whilst running a 1500?!!)
Packs with "good voltage" did a little better on the straight, but
did not have noticeably better punch/torque.
I do some Saturday arvo Parking Lot racing with some friends who have the SS brushless system and we run in "limited profile" only.
We are all geared as close to the 7.3:1 FDR as possible and boy does it make for some exciting racing. It is only driving skill that seperates us and I have never had so much fun.
Steevo
08-13-2003, 07:23 PM
#187
r u guyz saying the SS can be run in stock profile???...is it the Jap stock limit 23turns or US limiit 27turns???...
i'm veri interested in getting this BL system...
i'm veri interested in getting this BL system...
08-13-2003, 07:29 PM
#188
Originally posted by ijnek
r u guyz saying the SS can be run in stock profile???...is it the Jap stock limit 23turns or US limiit 27turns???...
i'm veri interested in getting this BL system...
r u guyz saying the SS can be run in stock profile???...is it the Jap stock limit 23turns or US limiit 27turns???...
i'm veri interested in getting this BL system...
08-13-2003, 08:27 PM
#189
Tech Adept
Originally posted by RedBullFiXX
More like a very good 27T, a very good 23T is close to openSS speed.
More like a very good 27T, a very good 23T is close to openSS speed.
08-13-2003, 08:34 PM
#190
Originally posted by crono man
the unlimited mode is way faster then a 23t motor!
the unlimited mode is way faster then a 23t motor!
I saw last night how close an average 23T is to the SSBL. At our track Stock is 1 sec off Mod times, BL & 19T are right in the middle of that, and from what I hear a very quick 23T is FASSST !
08-13-2003, 09:16 PM
#191
so the different profiles would emulate the different motors spec?...
ok,pardon for asking...using the fastest profile,the SS would b comparable to wat motor turns?
ok,pardon for asking...using the fastest profile,the SS would b comparable to wat motor turns?
08-13-2003, 09:27 PM
#192
Tech Adept
Originally posted by ijnek
so the different profiles would emulate the different motors spec?...
ok,pardon for asking...using the fastest profile,the SS would b comparable to wat motor turns?
so the different profiles would emulate the different motors spec?...
ok,pardon for asking...using the fastest profile,the SS would b comparable to wat motor turns?
08-13-2003, 09:31 PM
#193
So in comparison...
Would the limited mode be faster then a moster stock in max rpm?Or would it slower.I already know it accelerates like a mod in this mode.I wanna know because I wanna buy onw but need to know if it compares to a moster stock in the limited mode.I don't want to buy one and then have people at the track say I am cheating.
But man,not maintaining a stock motor would be nice.
But man,not maintaining a stock motor would be nice.
08-13-2003, 09:34 PM
#194
Originally posted by ijnek
so the different profiles would emulate the different motors spec?...
ok,pardon for asking...using the fastest profile,the SS would b comparable to wat motor turns?
so the different profiles would emulate the different motors spec?...
ok,pardon for asking...using the fastest profile,the SS would b comparable to wat motor turns?
This is of course only my opinion, I have raced quite a bit of 19T and currently race with the NovakSS Brushless in open mode within our own BL class
They are very fun to run, with virtualy no maintanance
it doesn't get easier than this, tyre wear is only slighty more than in 27T stock, and the speed is fun, but not so advanced as in Brushed Open Modified. 
Last edited by RedBullFiXX; 08-13-2003 at 09:40 PM.