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Old 09-21-2003, 12:46 PM   #4786
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Cool 1st Race with barracuda

yesterday i startet searching a good setup for my local track.
with the std setup, the car had low grip and bad on-power-steering.
i canged the oil to 30wt, 1,2mm piston.
rear toe in 2,0 .
added a small shim under the fron arm, for a little more caster and kickup.
i added a 2mm shim under front camber link.
but still the car was pushing out of the corners.
so i used 5,75 spring in rear and 6,25 in front, i tried a lot to finde the right ones
now the car was fast, but very hard to drive ass well.
on coner entering the heck was a little lose.
racing:
qualified first, i was very happy to see, that i was able to improve the fastest lap from 13,9 to 13,73s
but after the finals i ended up 4th, because my insert seemd to be to soft, for the asphalt, that became very hot in the afternoon, and i didnt want to glue a third set of tires, with harder inserts.
two set of tires for one racing weekend 10 runs, has to be enough

let me know what do u do to get more steering.
i think the battery placement shoud be a little more in front, this coul help onpower-steering, and even plant the rear on coner entering
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yesterday i startet searching a good setup for my local track.
with the std setup, the car had low grip and bad on-power-steering.
i canged the oil to 30wt, 1,2mm piston.
rear toe in 2,0 .
added a small shim under the fron arm, for a little more caster and kickup.
i added a 2mm shim under front camber link.
but still the car was pushing out of the corners.
so i used 5,75 spring in rear and 6,25 in front, i tried a lot to finde the right ones
now the car was fast, but very hard to drive ass well.
on coner entering the heck was a little lose.
racing:
qualified first, i was very happy to see, that i was able to improve the fastest lap from 13,9 to 13,73s
but after the finals i ended up 4th, because my insert seemd to be to soft, for the asphalt, that became very hot in the afternoon, and i didnt want to glue a third set of tires, with harder inserts.
two set of tires for one racing weekend 10 runs, has to be enough

let me know what do u do to get more steering.
i think the battery placement shoud be a little more in front, this coul help onpower-steering, and even plant the rear on coner entering
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Can you explain the surface you race on, and what tyre/inserts worked best ?

-For more aggressive steering you may want to try...
moving Front and rear dampers out on tower and suspension arm, to the full outside positions.
-Make sure you have at least 1/2 deg toe-out up front.
-Pay attention to the droop settings, less front droop will transfer less weight to the rear under power, hence more front bite.
-If the traction is high a stiffer rear suspension will cause more understeer on the Cuda.

Also have a look at the "Reedy Race" setup at www.alexracingusa.com
We had a lot of steering there.
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-If the traction is high a stiffer rear suspension will cause more understeer on the Cuda.

very true!!


Speaking of which... I now have a "truely" good Long arm set up that you all have to try out!!! I have sound the way to make this car rotate with a high bit track and mod motors!! .


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Well I'll join in here... Susan, YGPM
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Can you explain the surface you race on, and what tyre/inserts worked best ?

-For more aggressive steering you may want to try...
moving Front and rear dampers out on tower and suspension arm, to the full outside positions.
-Make sure you have at least 1/2 deg toe-out up front.
-Pay attention to the droop settings, less front droop will transfer less weight to the rear under power, hence more front bite.
-If the traction is high a stiffer rear suspension will cause more understeer on the Cuda.

Also have a look at the "Reedy Race" setup at www.alexracingusa.com
We had a lot of steering there.
the surface is a medium-high grip asphalt. it is rough ( i dont know the correct english word).
pics of this track can be found here: http://www.black-forest-racer.de/strecke.html

i used the same suspension geometry, as on the reedy race setup, just with 0.5 deg front toe out, and 1 deg camber.
i used plenty of droop, and a front oneway.
i had to use the 0,8mm stabi in front, because the heck was lose on corner entry..
as for the stiffer rear suspension, i didnt know, that it might increase rear traction
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TC3, that's a nice track you all race at...btw, no one has any pee emms from me...
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the surface is a medium-high grip asphalt. it is rough ( i dont know the correct english word).
pics of this track can be found here: http://www.black-forest-racer.de/strecke.html

i used the same suspension geometry, as on the reedy race setup, just with 0.5 deg front toe out, and 1 deg camber.
i used plenty of droop, and a front oneway.
i had to use the 0,8mm stabi in front, because the heck was lose on corner entry..
as for the stiffer rear suspension, i didnt know, that it might increase rear traction
Loose In...Push Off ... Now that's a recipe for a spool if ever I saw one.

You could also try a 1mm swaybar on the rear instead of the front.
Did you try the Diff up front yet ? could be good for the bumpy track, at the Nats this year the Spliff, Diff, or Spool worked best because of the corner entry bumps
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Well brothers I finally took the web special out to so.cal on Sat. I started out with the stock hubs in the rear which are I think the 4 toe and I gotta say that the traction was great but low on speed so I changed it to 3, adjusted the camber and adjusted my servoe because It was very glitchie with the speed on it. After I got it to my liking the car still was a second slower than my TC3, which I have dialed in so I adjusted the drive train then I was spinning out on my left turs which I was acually doing doughnuts on hi speed L.H. turns. I couldent figure out what to do because their werent anny cuda bros. out to help me out with it so I didnt want to rush the car so I didnt race it that night. I think Im gonna give it to my buddy Alex to rebuild it for me cause I really dont understand the car yet. Im running the center 1 way along with the 1 way 5 ride height all around along with 5 caster all around and still got some scratches on the bottom rear. I like the traction on the car but must figure out how to get fast with it. I know it has alot of potentual so looking forward to Sat. Im gonna keep this car for stock only so Im gonna need a good stock setup. Im only running rear sways because I do that with all my cars seems to get better steering. It seemed like I was losing steering as I was driving it more and more. Oh well Ill keep you guys posted as I go along.
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