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Old 01-07-2005, 07:55 PM   #11581
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I think its the same concept, if you put stiffer springs in front you'll get more steering, and if you put softer springs in the back, you'll get more steering also.
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Old 01-07-2005, 07:57 PM   #11582
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quick question:
I'm running Yokomo springs.
Front:
Green springs
5mm ride height
silver roll bar
6.5mm droop

Rear:
Yellow springs
5mm ride height
copper bar
5mm droop

Since the green springs are much stiffer than yellow, why is it that on the car, the rear end is WAY stiffer(ie harder to compress downwards) than the front(which feels very lame)? Is this normal?

I'm asking because i too much front traction off power, the car is fishtailing on a lot of corners. But the turn in as very good since i've switched from front Orange(which was nice, but has less turn in).
The shock mounting on the arm plays big part on siffness.

Also, the way front arm angles up make it ease to compress.
I shim the front arm mount 1mm to make it more level. this also give me more down travel with out lengthen the shock.

Fishtailing... Try take off rear roll bar. isn't copper bar the thickes?

I personally prefer:
Front: thick bar
Rear: thin bar

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Old 01-07-2005, 08:01 PM   #11583
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Isn't it when you have a thicker sway bar in the front you'll get less steering? But that would stop the fishtailing right?
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Old 01-07-2005, 08:03 PM   #11584
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Originally posted by lee82gx
quick question:
I'm running Yokomo springs.
Front:
Green springs
5mm ride height
silver roll bar
6.5mm droop

Rear:
Yellow springs
5mm ride height
copper bar
5mm droop

Since the green springs are much stiffer than yellow, why is it that on the car, the rear end is WAY stiffer(ie harder to compress downwards) than the front(which feels very lame)? Is this normal?

I'm asking because i too much front traction off power, the car is fishtailing on a lot of corners. But the turn in as very good since i've switched from front Orange(which was nice, but has less turn in).
The rear feels stiffer because you have the shocks mounted farther out on the arm, and maybe to a lesser degree you're running a stiffer sway bar in the rear. Try this same setup but put the copper bar in front and silver one in the rear.
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Old 01-07-2005, 08:12 PM   #11585
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Isn't it when you have a thicker sway bar in the front you'll get less steering? But that would stop the fishtailing right?
Sway bar do take off traction.

but SD have tons of front traction as I remenber.
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Old 01-07-2005, 09:12 PM   #11586
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is it true that rayspeed is going to come out with a new chassis??
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Old 01-07-2005, 09:53 PM   #11587
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is it true that rayspeed is going to come out with a new chassis??
There was a new one in a japanese r/c magazine about a month or two ago but I haven't heard any release date on it yet.
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The rear feels stiffer because you have the shocks mounted farther out on the arm, and maybe to a lesser degree you're running a stiffer sway bar in the rear. Try this same setup but put the copper bar in front and silver one in the rear.
but even without sway bars, it's the front softer than the rear.
I do think its the shock positions, but i just wanted to know if it's normal.

Front:
CGM tower(F), top outer most hole, lower second outer most.

Rear
CGM tower(R), Top middle hole, lower second outer most.
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yes, it's normal.
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its because the ones with the softer springs are more than likely layed down more on the shock tower and the wishbone. the more layed down it is the stiffer/harder it wil be to push it down by hand as when you push it down it also wants to go sideways aswell. the more vertical the shock the easier it is to push down by hand as you are just trying to push it straight down and not out aswell. this is only noticeable by hand and wil not be how it is when racing as it doesnt get pushed straight down. it leans.

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matt what time is it there? its 9am were i am, lol. i need to sleep
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its because the ones with the softer springs are more than likely layed down more on the shock tower and the wishbone. the more layed down it is the stiffer/harder it wil be to push it down by hand as when you push it down it also wants to go sideways aswell. the more vertical the shock the easier it is to push down by hand as you are just trying to push it straight down and not out aswell. this is only noticeable by hand and wil not be how it is when racing as it doesnt get pushed straight down. it leans.

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agower, i get what you're saying, thanks a lot.
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matt what time is it there? its 9am were i am, lol. i need to sleep
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Old 01-08-2005, 02:33 AM   #11595
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Anyway my turn.....

Speaking of springs, I have a pair of the green springs coming from Speedtech (these will be the only non-kit springs I have) and I have a question of my own.

All I remember from the 4wd off-road days is that if I had the stiffer springs up front (and kit rear) I'd end up with less steering and if I put them on the rear (and kit front) I ended up with more.

What I'd like to know from a on-road stand point is what could I expect to see if I did the same thing but more with regards this on-power off-power stuff?

I'm running twin diffs if this helps.

Thanks in advance.
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