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Old 12-19-2006, 10:07 PM   #1
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any one tried one in carpet sedan, the ones with the v2 endbell----just curious how they are compared to the trinity kd motors.
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any one tried one in carpet sedan, the ones with the v2 endbell----just curious how they are compared to the trinity kd motors.
If you are competing, I would suggest the standard version becasue htere are many more proven brush and spring combination available.

If you are bashing, the V2 endbell will give you many more runs between rebuilds and brush replacement.
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any one tried one in carpet sedan, the ones with the v2 endbell----just curious how they are compared to the trinity kd motors.
i would say V2 endbell would provide more smooth power band than other type endbell.
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The Orion Element and Peak Vantage are great motors. They are super fast and you just can't kill the magnets in them.

In FL all the fast 19T guys run Peak or Orion 19T's.

We all run the standard laydown endbell with Trinity XXX brushes and Orion black heavy springs. These motors generate power through torque not high rpm so you have to gear them up to get the speed but I assure you the speed is certainly there.

The roll out to start with is around 1.32" or 33.5mm.
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Locally we run a Dynasty class on foams on a very high grip indoor asphalt track - fastest lap of 11.8 is set by a Dynasty original endbell - My best lap is 11.9 with the V2 endbell.

I feel the V2 lacks punch because of the rounded edge of the brush but as you can see by the laptimes above its not THAT much of a difference once the car is flowing I've got a regular endbell motor to compare to - but its usually in my 1/12th scale and havent been unhappy with the speed of the V2 yet. Previous to the V2 I only ran the regular endbell motors.
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I got a used Element this week but it doesn’t have capacitors soldered onto it. Are the capacitors compulsory?
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I got a used Element this week but it doesn’t have capacitors soldered onto it. Are the capacitors compulsory?
The capacitors are embedded in the endbell next to the screws that hold the endbell tot he can. Or in the V2 version, they are on a circuit board in the endbell.

You don't need to add any more. But you may need to use ESC manufacturer recommended diode(s).
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Hi Rick

Can you sugguest what brushes and spring combo is good for 12th scale in V2
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Can you sugguest what brushes and spring combo is good for 12th scale in V2
I have not used on personally in 1/12, but you should use medium/hard with standard Sprint brushes.
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rick--
what brush spring combo would you recommend for the regular version not the v2 endbell motor?
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For anyone who's got a new Dynasty laydown brush endbell version, the latest ones are coming out with thier brush hoods very very tight. I recently bought a motor like this from my LHS but it was not running correctly, so I took it back. We discovered the brush hoods were the problem and was causing issues with the motor as the brushes were getting stuck. The springs were not even strong enough to push the brush back onto the comm.

The fix was as simple as using a hood alignment tool to open the hoods up very slightly. Worth keeping in mind if you get a new laydown brush motor and have issues with it.
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Will the trinity springs fit on the Element?
Peak Dynasty = Element?
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Can you sugguest what brushes and spring combo is good for 12th scale in V2
EA Motorsports F-Brushes with Trinity Red springs and a roll out starting around 2.00" or 50mm... and no i am not kidding. It can pull that gear easily.

Hector (SpeedXL) Garcia won the 2005 FL State Series 19T 1/12 class with an Element 19T.

wyl03 - Any of Trinity's non overhead springs will fit (like on Trinity mod motors).

Also Peak and Orion are pretty much the same company. Like GMC and Chevy. The Peak Vantage 19 and Orion Element 19 are the same motor.
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adrian- the rollout i run in sedan with the kd2 is around 27mm-----do you think the peak will pull the 33.5mm roll out?
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Yes, Dynasty and Element are the same thing.

I have 2 Dynasty and I have the same problem with the brush hood. I filed the brush a bit and used alignment tool to make it wider.

I did not know that at the beginning and the motor just stops running after I run the car for 3 minutes
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