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Old 12-28-2006, 06:28 PM   #31
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Yep, thanks for the input Adrian
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No, its the Sphere that know you are running Brushed when you pull the sensor wire. On the GTB you have to go into the setup mode and set it to run in the brushed mode. If you don't it will fry the speedo.
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I still don't think Sensorless is "Equal" for all RPM and load ranges.

But who know's I'm biased.
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Charlie, if you haven't tried driving a Mamba Max, yet, I'd suggest you try. I may change your thinking. I had my doubts, too, but after running updated software on my regular Mambas, I saw how well it worked, so I tried the Mamba Max and ended up getting rid of my Novaks. Yes, it was that much more impressive.
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Charlie, if you haven't tried driving a Mamba Max, yet, I'd suggest you try. I may change your thinking. I had my doubts, too, but after running updated software on my regular Mambas, I saw how well it worked, so I tried the Mamba Max and ended up getting rid of my Novaks. Yes, it was that much more impressive.
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Old 12-29-2006, 05:26 PM   #36
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I do in fact work at Novak. But its just not fair to let this stuff go sometimes.

Opinions are not facts. I've driven the newest Mamba, it's better then they used to be, but no one will be able to convince me they are the same as a sensored motors. Sensorless technology has come a LONG way recently for sure, it is much improved from the first stuff we saw, but I still don't think it has any place close the same throttle response, or the low RPM usability.

Of course, I really like the way the Novak motors pull and have super linear throttle.
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Old 12-29-2006, 10:48 PM   #37
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I have ran both as well and I prefer the Mamba, then again I work for Castle. The only way we will ever now for sure is when the ROAR rules get redone and these 2 sytems as well as the Tekin, Orion, etc... can actually run and compete against each other.

I agree the Novak has better low end start but the Mamba has more mid and top. Just my 2cents.

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FIGHT FIGHT>>>>>>>>>>

Just kinding guys,
I have both and like both......
They each have features that the other doesn't.
The super linear throttle responce of Novak,
The ease of programing of Mamba,
It goes on and on...
I think that this is great for the hobby, WE THE CONSUMER will end up with a better product in the end as both companies want are dollars, so they try to bring the best product to market...
I think when Tekin hits they will have something that neither dose and then the cycle begins again.
I think brushless has come a long way and sensorless seems to be gaining popularity so I think Roar will have to at least give it a serious look now, if they haven't began already.

Charlie and Crash I thank you for both your great customer service....
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Dont want to make this even more confusing, but what about the lrp sphere? Anybody have opinions? I usually like lrp smoothness, but never tried their BL systems...
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I have ran both as well and I prefer the Mamba, then again I work for Castle. The only way we will ever now for sure is when the ROAR rules get redone and these 2 sytems as well as the Tekin, Orion, etc... can actually run and compete against each other.

I agree the Novak has better low end start but the Mamba has more mid and top. Just my 2cents.

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Isn't the Orion system going to be able to run both sensored and sensorless motors sure I heards that somewhere, might be wrong!
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If I am not mistaken ROAR rules allow sensor or sensorless systems... the rule states the motor must use a Wye type wind and the Mamba uses a Delta wind, I believe. This is the were the problem lies at the moment.
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If I am not mistaken ROAR rules allow sensor or sensorless systems... the rule states the motor must use a Wye type wind and the Mamba uses a Delta wind, I believe. This is the were the problem lies at the moment.
There are two problems with the Mamba motor with regards ot the ROAR, EFRA, IFMAR rules. One is that its is terminated Delta the other is that there are no steel laminations in the can.

Both motor designs work well but there are a lot of manufaturers that have spent time and money tooling up to make legal motors so the rules will stay as they are for the time being.
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I do in fact work at Novak. But its just not fair to let this stuff go sometimes.

Opinions are not facts. I've driven the newest Mamba, it's better then they used to be, but no one will be able to convince me they are the same as a sensored motors. Sensorless technology has come a LONG way recently for sure, it is much improved from the first stuff we saw, but I still don't think it has any place close the same throttle response, or the low RPM usability.

Of course, I really like the way the Novak motors pull and have super linear throttle.
What about the lack of throttle response after they thermal? I haven't heard of too many Mamba's thermalling - at least nowhere near as many as Novak's.
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Yes I have heard the Orion will run both, but I have not actually had the chance to run one.

The Mamba will not thermal nor will the magnets loose their strength. But this does not mean that you cannot ruin the motor by severly overgearing it.

Yes the Mamba motor does not fall under the ROAR rules, but the rules are being changed to allow these style motors to be legal with all of the other new ones.

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Hey Crash...

just to let you know... I'm the one that set the record for world's fastest RC Motorcycle at the RCCA Speed challenge in July... I was using a Mamba Max 7700 (I was a Beta tester) and a 2Cell 4800 Orion Lipo pack (7.4V)... I took the record from Tony Phalen who was running the LRP stuff with 8 Cells (9.6V)....

just thought I'd throw that in
I sent photos of myself and my bike to Shawn Palmer (shame he's gone) for use in advertising but I haven't heard anything...

Mambas have MAD power... I've used Novaks and I love them (SS4300/SS5800).. but for raw grunt, I like the Mamba
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