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Old 11-28-2006, 12:59 AM   #16
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wow, thanks for all the views guys. Im def. leaning more twards the T2 for sure now.
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Old 11-28-2006, 01:14 AM   #17
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i'd have to agree with the last few posts the t2 is an awesome car, at the club i run at one of the guys has a cyclone and is constantly breaking things mostly diff parts outdrives etc and they aren't breaking because of crashes either just normal usage. So i would say if you want less tool time and more track time xray t2 be the only choice
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Old 11-28-2006, 01:24 AM   #18
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From my experiance with an Xray T2, you can't go past them. They are beautiful to drive, simple, easy to maintain,,, and may i say, very fast!
I actually currently own an xray T2R and it is a beautiful car. I am getting a T2007 soon though as it is better for modified. Trust me..this is a car you cant go past..the cyclone is a very nice car though. Just my 2 cents
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Old 11-28-2006, 01:45 AM   #19
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Long live Xray T2!!!i had own a T2,it was so easy to drive,i even used old tire to run the car with no spin out!it sticked like glue to track!the parts are maked from very strong material,go for Xray,you won't regret.
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Old 11-28-2006, 04:17 AM   #20
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i have to say go for the cyclone.the T2 is not a bad car but i have found on asphalt and carpet that the cyclone carries alot of cornerspeed,its easy to setup and get it running good,and it is very easy to drive.
The T2 is a good car but i am always faster with my cyclone.yeah,you can say xray made 8 out of 10 spots in the A at a big race but when you own 8 out of the 10 usual A main runners,that logic goes out the window.both cars will work for you but i found the cyclone to work a little better for me.
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Old 11-28-2006, 06:17 AM   #21
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If your running on ashphalt, i'd definately choose the cyclone for outright speed. I just went from a T2 to a cyclone, and out of the box, the cyclone is as good, if not better than my best set-up i had on my XRAY. The XRAY is still a great car, and more durable than the cyclone. It is also much nicer to work on.
I've hardly run on carpet, so i cant really comment on how they compare on the rug.
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Old 11-28-2006, 08:37 AM   #22
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I've never had a Cyclone but have had the pro4. Hard to drive and not very durable. Currently have the T2. The easiest car to drive I've owned. Works from box set-up and easy to work on. Quick in and out of corners, fast, durable and so on.
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I've never had a Cyclone but have had the pro4. Hard to drive and not very durable. Currently have the T2. The easiest car to drive I've owned. Works from box set-up and easy to work on. Quick in and out of corners, fast, durable and so on.

That "hard to drive" feeling is the nature of shaft drive. Your statement above is comparing apples to oranges. The Pro4 is nothing like the Cyclone.

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Old 11-28-2006, 12:29 PM   #24
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The results of both cars and teams speak for themselves.

Both cars go together without an issue.

One thing that I didn't see anyone mention was the cost of repairs/spares. The Cyclone spares are significantly cheaper than the Xray in almost every case. This also allows you to try different set-ups (caster blocks-for exaple) more inexspensively.

Since you are asking for opinions - I like the cyclone. I have never driven a car that is so smooth and has as much corner speed. The car maintains perfect balance in any situation that I have put it in so far. It is so fast without feeling overly aggressive. A Hara/Surikarn or WC would be my recommendation.

Also, sorry to say - but confidence in a car has a lot to do with this as well. The way a car 'feels' to each individual may be different person to person. Driver A says xray is better and driver b says the cyclone is better. Driver C might even say his TC3 is better (but he would just be wrong). In any case, they might all be right........
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I like the number of fairly reasonable comments! Normally it's.. Cyclone good, T2, devils' spawn kinda thing!

But seriously - I've had a Pro4 before. Much different in nature to a belt car. And there were a few drive-train breakages as the requirement to shim everything up is quite precise and takes learning.

The Cyclone is much faster in the corners than the pro4. Or at least it feels like it. It just likes to run.. a very smooth feeling. That said - I've had a few breakages on the Cyclone too.

1 X topdeck
1 x middle bulkhead.
Both due to radio failure.

BUT!
I cannot stress enough how strong the Cyclone is already. The arms are very very durable. Even since the Pro4 days there hasn't been any real need for an update. Very durable.

Usual breakages apply - C hubs (what car doesn't?!?), rarely the hub carriers...


The T2's downside is that everything is expensive for it. But the construction of the car is unsurpassable. No slop, no shims needed.

But if you look at the design
- the '007 has split rear bulkheads (The Cyclone already had them)
- The '007 has a longer topdeck for flex ( The Cyclone already had it)
- The '007 has lowered bulkheads ( Compare the two cars side-by-side. They're very similar. The x-ray cars have traditionally had quite high topdecks and bulkheads. Even the T2.. They are now similar in this regard. The '007 is marginally lower now..)
- The '007 has a multiflex chassis ( The cyclone bulkheads attach to fewev points to the chassis. So create the same flex)

I already drive the Cyclone. If I had to buy another car it would be the '007.
But I'm not changing anytime soon. They're too similar. I don't think I'd be particularly faster with either car really.

I know I'm faster with the Cyclone than the old schumacher and the Pro4..

Go for local parts support. As always. Nothing worse than missing races due to breakages..
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Originally Posted by AngryAsian
I like the number of fairly reasonable comments! Normally it's.. Cyclone good, T2, devils' spawn kinda thing!

But seriously - I've had a Pro4 before. Much different in nature to a belt car. And there were a few drive-train breakages as the requirement to shim everything up is quite precise and takes learning.

The Cyclone is much faster in the corners than the pro4. Or at least it feels like it. It just likes to run.. a very smooth feeling. That said - I've had a few breakages on the Cyclone too.

1 X topdeck
1 x middle bulkhead.
Both due to radio failure.

BUT!
I cannot stress enough how strong the Cyclone is already. The arms are very very durable. Even since the Pro4 days there hasn't been any real need for an update. Very durable.

Usual breakages apply - C hubs (what car doesn't?!?), rarely the hub carriers...


The T2's downside is that everything is expensive for it. But the construction of the car is unsurpassable. No slop, no shims needed.

But if you look at the design
- the '007 has split rear bulkheads (The Cyclone already had them)
- The '007 has a longer topdeck for flex ( The Cyclone already had it)
- The '007 has lowered bulkheads ( Compare the two cars side-by-side. They're very similar. The x-ray cars have traditionally had quite high topdecks and bulkheads. Even the T2.. They are now similar in this regard. The '007 is marginally lower now..)
- The '007 has a multiflex chassis ( The cyclone bulkheads attach to fewev points to the chassis. So create the same flex)

I already drive the Cyclone. If I had to buy another car it would be the '007.
But I'm not changing anytime soon. They're too similar. I don't think I'd be particularly faster with either car really.

I know I'm faster with the Cyclone than the old schumacher and the Pro4..

Go for local parts support. As always. Nothing worse than missing races due to breakages..
Cyclone hands down!!
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