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Old 11-29-2006, 05:40 PM   #811
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i agree, i also dont know why people keep bringing up the oval issue
i live in the northeast and just got back into the hobby about three years ago havent raced since mids 80's dirt oval buggy with the fox because it has the best suspension in the class . . .LOL
is club oval racing really big in some parts of the country???
last week for out reg. club TC race we had 43 entries in stock and 19 and were prob. missing a few people out at the champs, i think that is a pretty good turnout . . .
what do other clubs get for a TC turnout for their weekly club racing???
there is a huge banked tri oval near me also that the turnout is very low at for weekly racing
i dont get how 4 cell saved oval???
i thinking comparing oval and tc is apples and oranges, motor/heat/tire wear
once again not trying to make anyone madd,
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Old 11-29-2006, 06:01 PM   #812
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Don't post on here very often but I have something to say about the 4cell turning car stuff going on. Personally I don't care if I make anybody mad, but I do NOT like 4cell turning cars! First of all, if you look at it right it is not going to be cheaper for the guys who have been in racing. Second of all, most guys have 6cell battery packs. I know they can be broke down to 4 cell but not all your batteries will be matched then. The other thing is you will have to buy the new developed motors to run 4cell or a brushless system. And you would have to buy another car setup to run the 4cell system. So I don't see where it is going to be cheaper...except for the fact that a lot of us will be stuck with stuff that we can't use anymore and nobody will want to buy because of the rule change. So now you are spending money to change plus you are sitting on money that you have already paid on stuff you can't get rid of. I think this should have been talked about a long time ago! So that's what makes it so stupid to talk about now. If we are going to run 4cell turning car you might as well go to the 12 scale 4x4 sedans. Because that is basically what you are going to have anyway and that way it weight won't be an issue. Pesonally, I think the whole 4cell idea SUCKS! That's why I got out of handcar oval racing. My whole thing is: you run 6cell to have stupid horsepower! If you can't handle the horsepower...get out of the sport! And quit this DAMN WHINING about 4cell and it being cheaper...because in the long run it is NOT. So you can crunch all those numbers and no matter how you cut it, it leads to costing racers more money to change. All your going to do is drive a lot of racers right out of the sport instead of trying to improve the sport! Here's an example: If your a full size car enthusisate and you buy a muscle car to have fun with are you going to pull that V8 out and put in a 4cyclinder? I DON"T THINK SO! And if you do YOUR STUPIDER than I thought you were! That is what horsepower is all about...to have fun!

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Old 11-29-2006, 06:19 PM   #813
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Well seems the dilema is getting pretty fierce. I personally think it is a three part question for most of us.

1. Do we want the cars to go slower.. (honestly speaking)

2. Do 4 cell cars have battery issues because of the way they will need to be geared to seem faster(running longer gears to make them faster)

3. Making the change to 4 cell to save motors and ESC's from blowing up.
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Old 11-29-2006, 06:42 PM   #814
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for the record at my local asphalt track out of 20 racers 3 do not have a brushless motor in there car.

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I want to see how much slower my car is with a 4 cell pack. Where should I start for gearing? I am going to run a 3.5R/GTB

I dont think the local track here will mind me racing with the 6 cell mod class so Ill give it a try.

Im glad my car has batteries in the center, dont have to change much.
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Old 11-29-2006, 06:59 PM   #815
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Don't post on here very often but I have something to say about the 4cell turning car stuff going on. Personally I don't care if I make anybody mad, but I do NOT like 4cell turning cars!
Those damn turning cars, why do they keep turning??? I cant stand things that turn either! !
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Old 11-29-2006, 07:11 PM   #816
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4 cell mod exhibition @ the carpet nats. It needs to happen.

Let's see what happens when this is tested under race condidtions. A lot more brains and a little more insanity will come into play when 20-30 of the best guys try to beat each other.
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Old 11-29-2006, 07:25 PM   #817
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4 cell mod exhibition @ the carpet nats. It needs to happen.

Let's see what happens when this is tested under race condidtions. A lot more brains and a little more insanity will come into play when 20-30 of the best guys try to beat each other.
Yep ...I like Billy Bowerman's idea on running 19T 4 cell on carpet nats and mod 4 cell on asphalt nats as an exhibition race, then letting the membership vote in mid to end of 2007 for a 2008 implementation ..but he's only one member of the EXCOM, I get the feeling he's in the minority of the EXCOM on this.
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Old 11-29-2006, 07:27 PM   #818
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Interested in a bizzare thought with legitimately good rationale?

Leave mod to the pro's and those that want to paly on the upper end. The industry needs a place to develop products in a high performance environment. ALSO, a lot of club guys that go to bigger races really want to see how the pro's "LAY IT DOWN". What we can aspire to, so to speak.

No answer from me on how to curb the 2 middle classes. Except to say that whatever it is needs to be seperated by about 2 laps at it's maximum potential. And 2 laps from mod.

Here's the bizzare part.
On the thoughts of making entry level racing and noob racing better. It's a fact that noobs suck with car setups, don't have dynos, don't have lathes, and generally, the only set of brushes most own, ARE IN THE CAR they are racing. They don't have the knowledge or interest in super tuning their cars, motors, or batteries, not yet anyway (nor would they know how). The cars they have are to freaking fast. If a good racer can run 30 laps on a track with a stock motor, there are noobs that will be hard pressed to put in a 14-15 lap run with the same equipment. I say the noobs should be running some slow motor'd brushless setup. Before you come back with the expense argument, just look at how the logic fits the class and the racers involved.

Losi has a brushless RTR entry level sedan, right now... Somebody has been thinking ahead...
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Old 11-29-2006, 07:34 PM   #819
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4 cell is boring......... along with stock..... if roar would stop draging there feet all the time, we would be racin with lipo's by now. its bad enough already havin to by a new car every 10 months. a now roar wants 4 cells give me a break!!! can we say put you to sleep touring car racing, i can.
4 cell is ok in 12 scale but thats were i draw the line. were lucky if we get 10 racers a night right now. its time for roar to wake up . this is not the uk. this is the usa. listen to the people who race not the pros.
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I want to see how much slower my car is with a 4 cell pack. Where should I start for gearing? I am going to run a 3.5R/GTB
try 8.5fdr
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Old 11-29-2006, 08:34 PM   #821
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4 cell mod exhibition @ the carpet nats. It needs to happen.

Let's see what happens when this is tested under race condidtions. A lot more brains and a little more insanity will come into play when 20-30 of the best guys try to beat each other.
...again, another oval comparison. We Did just that when we were pushing 4 cell for OVAL. Did an exibition race at that years PAVED OVAL NATIONALS and a couple other events around the country. Most NaySayers at the event were suprised by the speeds on both short tracks and even on the HUGE Velodrome we use to run.

There are always guys wanting to run multi-classes. Offer the 4 cell class w/o an entry fee and shoot for the BEST drivers to put the results on paper...might be an interesting read...
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were lucky if we get 10 racers a night right now. its time for roar to wake up . this is not the uk. this is the usa. listen to the people who race not the pros.
Ok, so your track only has 10 racers...NOW, how come?

..and what does your track only having 10 racers have to do with ROAR? (curious minds want to know.)
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Listen to the oval guys. They have been through all this already and have come out the other side in much better shape.

The problems guys are having with all of this is a fear of change issue not a slower or faster speed issue.
I'm sorry but this is rediculous....Listen to the Oval Guys???? You want us to listen to the VAST quatities of Oval guys proclaiming how 4 cell saved their hobby???? Look around Adrian, 4 cell didn't save **it. That is the FACTS! FACE IT PLEASE!

Fear of change does not use a brushless motor for club racing. Fear of change does not use LIPO at the club race. You are DREAMING. This is all about MOD at the Nats? Give me a break. Nobody wants to run 4 cell Mod (and DUMP) to achieve 19T speeds. We have 19T speed now PAINLESSLY!!! You will NOT increase the amount of Mod drivers by doing this. Don't believe me???? ASK THE OVAL GUYS.

None of the math and testing saved them did it? People want speed, if you don't want turnouts to fall even more you will have to come up with a better soulution. 2 years ahead or not. Go down this path and you will see TC racing go by way of the oval. Learn from the past PLEASE. I LOVE racing TC and I don't want to see it fail like oval has. You have good intentions but you are HORRIBLY missguided....Please don't push this to the EXCOM. Let us (the guys paying the bills) decide this one.

Stock class at the Nationals is not for Newbies or Novices. It never has been. If you want a new "beginner's class" then create one. Don't change the stock class from what it is.
19T class is a great blend between the guys who want to see where they measure up and the Pros.
Mod at the Nationals is for the best in the U.S.

Please think before you choke the EXCOM with this 4 cell B.S.
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WOW there is like 10 guys here arguing about 4 cells like it is a life and death situation.
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WOW there is like 10 guys here arguing about 4 cells like it is a life and death situation.
It is
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