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Old 11-26-2006, 12:04 AM   #406
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So, anybody notice any absolute catastrophes on the track in Cleveland so far this weekend? Any explosions? Speed control fires, Motor after motor, absolutely up in smoke, so bad that nobody is even managing to qualify? Because the the batteries were to good?

More than one TQ run the driver had his fastest laps at the end, That was unheard of years ago. I think it's AWESOME that we have that kind of consistency and power in the batterys we have now. The batterys are FINALLY, NOT THE WEAK PART OF THE EQUATION. and hallelujah it's about time !!

Anything that would prompt ROAR to feel that removing a cell is a good idea?

So far, it looks as though the FASTEST of the fast guys are all qualifed right at the top. Aren't these racers the fastest of the fast, the best of the best, capable of absolute PUNISHMENT and extraction of every last molecule of power through their motors and speedos??? All of them absolutely capable of driving in control and laying down strings of laps that some of us can only dream about. So it wouldn't seem that there was to much power would it. Same with all the classes, down to stock.

These guys use up every last ounce of power to the point of barely even being able to make a victory lap... Me, I come back and let my battery ride the discharger for an HOUR. Yea, let's remove the piece of the car that works every time... *ugh* <disgusted>
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...Well, shake it up, baby, now, (shake it up, baby)
Twist and shout. (twist and shout)
Cmon cmon, cmon, cmon, baby, now, (come on baby)
Come on and work it on out. (work it on out)
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Bob you funny. ! LOL

"Ride the discharger".. sounds like a opening scene of a nancyboy porn flick.

Now that we have run time galore in our batts its has put to bed the mah war or at least clamed it down. Now you want to wake that fiasco AGAIN?!

4 cells I'm going to squeeze the crap out of those batts...gear my stuff till the batts start to bake. then start all over again.

You be honest with me .. whatever kind of car one is driving (real car) drop 33% of the cylinders/power and tell me if you're gonna be happy. Betcha you'de be adding octane booster and turbo charging it. unless you drive a wheel barriow... Nobody knows whats good for us except ourselves.. do we tell you how to run your business? no its the customers who dictate with their wallets.

We want our freedom to shred rip and haul ass.. who give a shit if you can't put all that power down.. if thats the case then tell me why they sell 400hp cars like hotcakes when you can only go 60mph!

same with our toys cars I dont care if opne has a million RPM and such youre ultimately limited by the contact patch and track grip.

Next they will narrow the tires once again and require harder rubber.. why not skip ahead and make us run tinkertoy wooden wheels. save the agravation.

You know the 4 cell scene will certainly help the guys who make those monster CAPS!.. WTF!..

I started my race career in 85 running oval paved.. when they went to 4 cell I dumped it for faster pastures. 6 cell pan onroad..then some idiot invented the tc.with freeking skinny rubber tires.. yeah lets add a freeking belt 75% more resistance in the drive train add a pound and a half, run on shit for tires, use shoebox bodies and discontinue making onroad pan cars. try to make runtime going half as fast on 2000 mah batts.

Who's smoking crack.!! Now we have technology with BL systems, Lipos and Gas car foams.. these cars can now smoke and 8th scale nitro car. anywhere anytime. If we had this back in the pancar heyday.. 70mph would be no problem all day long.

If you want to slow the shit down then run old skool stuff or slower class. We don't need uncle Sam, Roar or anyone else telling us we can't go fast with our god damn toys.

Why don't we just put a governer on ROAR! and like the almighty customer does talk with the wallet.. do you see RC increasing? or decreasing?

I can see lots of cars going for sale if this goes through then you guys will tell off road electric to run 4 cell.. are you freking NUTS!.

This is a recipe for death to the rc race scene..you hear me excom..

Whomever sees anything positive coming out of this must still believe in santa claus or uses a condom when he's jerking off. Get a CLUE!
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Bob you funny. ! LOL
I don't know man, You're killin' me. I have to at least try to be more "politically correct". That was a good read.
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I don't want to see 4cell TC either. But on very large outdoor tracks (Europe)on hot days they do have motor problems. If your straight is long enough your mod motor is wound tight for quite a while... add in the extreme heat... ambient plus motor generated and the epoxy looses strength... add in the extreme RPM and eventually you can throw a wind. We will never see this on a carpet track because they are much shorter. I think a BL with a sintered rotor would help in this case... but we will see.
I agree we in the USA don't need this 4 cell rule here because we race under different conditions... maybe FLA on asphalt in the summer but the majority of US racing doesn't have this problem. I think ROAR should make 4 or 5 cell with a weight reduction a OPTION to 6 cells to the mod racers and let them decide what they want to run at each event. This should end the bitching
Just leave stock and 19 alone.
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Bob you funny. ! LOL

"Ride the discharger".. sounds like a opening scene of a nancyboy porn flick.

Now that we have run time galore in our batts its has put to bed the mah war or at least clamed it down. Now you want to wake that fiasco AGAIN?!

4 cells I'm going to squeeze the crap out of those batts...gear my stuff till the batts start to bake. then start all over again.

You be honest with me .. whatever kind of car one is driving (real car) drop 33% of the cylinders/power and tell me if you're gonna be happy. Betcha you'de be adding octane booster and turbo charging it. unless you drive a wheel barriow... Nobody knows whats good for us except ourselves.. do we tell you how to run your business? no its the customers who dictate with their wallets.

We want our freedom to shred rip and haul ass.. who give a shit if you can't put all that power down.. if thats the case then tell me why they sell 400hp cars like hotcakes when you can only go 60mph!

same with our toys cars I dont care if opne has a million RPM and such youre ultimately limited by the contact patch and track grip.

Next they will narrow the tires once again and require harder rubber.. why not skip ahead and make us run tinkertoy wooden wheels. save the agravation.

You know the 4 cell scene will certainly help the guys who make those monster CAPS!.. WTF!..

I started my race career in 85 running oval paved.. when they went to 4 cell I dumped it for faster pastures. 6 cell pan onroad..then some idiot invented the tc.with freeking skinny rubber tires.. yeah lets add a freeking belt 75% more resistance in the drive train add a pound and a half, run on shit for tires, use shoebox bodies and discontinue making onroad pan cars. try to make runtime going half as fast on 2000 mah batts.

Who's smoking crack.!! Now we have technology with BL systems, Lipos and Gas car foams.. these cars can now smoke and 8th scale nitro car. anywhere anytime. If we had this back in the pancar heyday.. 70mph would be no problem all day long.

If you want to slow the shit down then run old skool stuff or slower class. We don't need uncle Sam, Roar or anyone else telling us we can't go fast with our god damn toys.

Why don't we just put a governer on ROAR! and like the almighty customer does talk with the wallet.. do you see RC increasing? or decreasing?

I can see lots of cars going for sale if this goes through then you guys will tell off road electric to run 4 cell.. are you freking NUTS!.

This is a recipe for death to the rc race scene..you hear me excom..

Whomever sees anything positive coming out of this must still believe in santa claus or uses a condom when he's jerking off. Get a CLUE!
yep.............good job badboy
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This should end the bitching
LOL, LOL, LOL yeah right...these are R/C Car racers

Bitching is what keeps it interesting between races.
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Hey Bob, it's Dave. From.... well you know. I'll give you a call Monday. How was your Turkey Day?
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I don't want to see 4cell TC either. But on very large outdoor tracks (Europe)on hot days they do have motor problems. If your straight is long enough your mod motor is wound tight for quite a while... add in the extreme heat... ambient plus motor generated and the epoxy looses strength... add in the extreme RPM and eventually you can throw a wind.
Otto, haven't I seen you over there on the EFRA thread?

I keep seeing where people will throw a generalization out there like, "they have motor problems", "tons", "lots", "Blew up"..."takes 2 armatures a day"...

Fair enough, I'd love to see some data, let's back up some statements with numbers, rather than feelings and generalities.

Where are the race results where only 3-4 racers finish a main event (out of 10 that started, because the other 6 "blew up"), or all of the guys in a qualifier crap'd out due to legit motor "blow ups". Not just one race day. This apparently is an ongoing situation, so data from all year, every race, should reflect this.
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Hey Bob, it's Dave. From.... well you know. I'll give you a call Monday. How was your Turkey Day?
Get to work Dave...
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We tested a lot with 4 and 5 cells in Europe.
I think, everybody, who didn't try it himselve can not talk about 4 cells.
Try 4 cells Intellect 4200 WC with a 4,5T or 3,5T brushless and you will have enough power.

5 cells: Does increase motor and car life. The Lap times are about the same, because of the lower weight and because it's more easy to drive. Speed controller heat is similar to 6 cells.

4 cells: Does increase motor, car and speed controller life. The lap times are just a little bit slower, almost the same as with 6 cells. 4 cells of Intellect 4200 World Champion do have about the same power as 6 cells GP3700.
The lower weight and a little less power makes the car handle much better and the tyre overheating is just gone.
I wounder, nobody had too slow cars 3 years ago.

Europe did change to 5 cells, only because some people were afraid, that some electronic would not work perfect without receiver pack with 4 cells. Nobody was afraid about not enough power.
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We tested a lot with 4 and 5 cells in Europe.
I think, everybody, who didn't try it himselve can not talk about 4 cells.
Try 4 cells Intellect 4200 WC with a 4,5T or 3,5T brushless and you will have enough power.

5 cells: Does increase motor and car life. The Lap times are about the same, because of the lower weight and because it's more easy to drive. Speed controller heat is similar to 6 cells.

4 cells: Does increase motor, car and speed controller life. The lap times are just a little bit slower, almost the same as with 6 cells. 4 cells of Intellect 4200 World Champion do have about the same power as 6 cells GP3700.
The lower weight and a little less power makes the car handle much better and the tyre overheating is just gone.
I wounder, nobody had too slow cars 3 years ago.

Europe did change to 5 cells, only because some people were afraid, that some electronic would not work perfect without receiver pack with 4 cells. Nobody was afraid about not enough power.
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Wow, Harsh, I can't even spell that.

Adrian is the only excom member that I know of that even bothered to enter into this debate.
To me he sounds like he is for that change.
...I can usually spell wierd words, it's the basic ones I have problems with ;-)
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Bob you funny. ! LOL

"Ride the discharger".. sounds like a opening scene of a nancyboy porn flick.

Now that we have run time galore in our batts its has put to bed the mah war or at least clamed it down. Now you want to wake that fiasco AGAIN?!

4 cells I'm going to squeeze the crap out of those batts...gear my stuff till the batts start to bake. then start all over again.

You be honest with me .. whatever kind of car one is driving (real car) drop 33% of the cylinders/power and tell me if you're gonna be happy. Betcha you'de be adding octane booster and turbo charging it. unless you drive a wheel barriow... Nobody knows whats good for us except ourselves.. do we tell you how to run your business? no its the customers who dictate with their wallets.

We want our freedom to shred rip and haul ass.. who give a shit if you can't put all that power down.. if thats the case then tell me why they sell 400hp cars like hotcakes when you can only go 60mph!

same with our toys cars I dont care if opne has a million RPM and such youre ultimately limited by the contact patch and track grip.

Next they will narrow the tires once again and require harder rubber.. why not skip ahead and make us run tinkertoy wooden wheels. save the agravation.

You know the 4 cell scene will certainly help the guys who make those monster CAPS!.. WTF!..

I started my race career in 85 running oval paved.. when they went to 4 cell I dumped it for faster pastures. 6 cell pan onroad..then some idiot invented the tc.with freeking skinny rubber tires.. yeah lets add a freeking belt 75% more resistance in the drive train add a pound and a half, run on shit for tires, use shoebox bodies and discontinue making onroad pan cars. try to make runtime going half as fast on 2000 mah batts.

Who's smoking crack.!! Now we have technology with BL systems, Lipos and Gas car foams.. these cars can now smoke and 8th scale nitro car. anywhere anytime. If we had this back in the pancar heyday.. 70mph would be no problem all day long.

If you want to slow the shit down then run old skool stuff or slower class. We don't need uncle Sam, Roar or anyone else telling us we can't go fast with our god damn toys.

Why don't we just put a governer on ROAR! and like the almighty customer does talk with the wallet.. do you see RC increasing? or decreasing?

I can see lots of cars going for sale if this goes through then you guys will tell off road electric to run 4 cell.. are you freking NUTS!.

This is a recipe for death to the rc race scene..you hear me excom..

Whomever sees anything positive coming out of this must still believe in santa claus or uses a condom when he's jerking off. Get a CLUE!
I can't believe I'm saying this ...but I agree with you badboy!!!
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Even though I agree that reducing the voltage will help with the motors, I do not believe that this is the reason they are blowing up. One example when we first got the Corally 19 spec Black series with lay down brushes they were blowingup all the time. By the time the second batch was imported they became a lot more reliable so motor companies can help with motors.
We all want to go faster thats racing so why change one thing that works fine, the cells. Motors now rev higher than ever which is one reason they throw winds. Peoiple say about ESC. blowing up but how close to the limit are they been run ?
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