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Old 11-23-2006, 07:53 PM   #136
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Bob - What exactly is your point? Once again progress is going to happen in motors, batteries, speedos and chassis no matter what we run battery wise. Guys will buy loads of new stuff next year no matter how many batteries we run.
My point is we will likely make it even worse than normal. Progress will happen, but it's happening in the wrong direction. The motors and speedos seem to be the problems not the cells. And this isn't progress, it's regression.

99% of the people complaining are NOT complaining about the cells, but that's the fix, to limit the part of the equation that functions.

And the people that feel they need a new pack per run are not even in the top 1%, it would be the top .01%, They are NOT Joe average consumer, or the people spending money at club races or people making the c main at Vegas.

I do not need a new pack per run, nor does anybody I race with... I do have to work on my motors though... NAH, let's not fix the motors and make them better.
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Old 11-23-2006, 07:55 PM   #137
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Hey its fine with me at this point.....

I get to sell tons of batteries now.....with no worries of new tech like LiPo....

And while brushless are more efficient....its not 20% more....not even close.

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Old 11-23-2006, 07:55 PM   #138
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i agree, once we go to 4cells... back are the days were factories and their top 1% cell will dominate the a-main.

sucks if we need new packs for every event and every round raced.

And that's a fact. Right now, the little guy can have the same cells (for the most part) that the fast guys are using, and at the best prices and power levels we've EVER RACED WITH.
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Old 11-23-2006, 08:01 PM   #139
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Seriously? If the motor is spec'd out at 19t or 27t, one of the largest improvements will be, sadly, SUPER HIGH VOLTAGE AND LOW IR BATTERYS... AND, torturing your motors even harder through over gearing and 1 run brushes, batterys, etc.

exactly. all this will do is put greater emphasis on better newer batts, just so a few pro's who gear to the damn moon won't blow up the ESC's that were GIVEN to them....

and don't give us the it's cheaper to buy 4 cells than 6 cells stuff either. it just means a third less gross for matchers which will lead to less matchers and higher prices from them... and with the competition of LiPo's conveniently out of the way watch the prices of batts then...
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Old 11-23-2006, 08:01 PM   #140
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I should put up a coupon on the site......discount on 4 cell packs for the 115 dingleberries who voted for Queller....

Oh wait, 99% of them race gas....


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Old 11-23-2006, 08:04 PM   #141
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Default What I'm hoping for is that a 4 cell rule will push

new and better chassis designs for lipos and brushless. I guess my only concern is what will this do for lipos now? Adrian??? I know I don't want to run an RX pack. Will reduced voltage help with smaller brushless speedo designs?
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Old 11-23-2006, 08:11 PM   #142
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oH....you didn't know, this ruling KILLS any chance of LiPo being allowed unless they go back to allowing 6 cell packs.....


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I'm pretty sure if ROAR goes to 4-cell TC it will be the nail in the coffin and we will see a new sanctioning body appear.
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And that's a fact. Right now, the little guy can have the same cells (for the most part) that the fast guys are using, and at the best prices and power levels we've EVER RACED WITH.
most people dont realize the disadvantage non-factory racers have when a 4cell limit is an issue = when every second and every mh becomes an issue.

good for the retailer and manufacture since sales and production will increase, but bad for the hobbiest and sponsor who has to get a new pack for every driver for each round raced (maybe? / don't know for sure, but it would suck if this had to be done to be competitive)
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For the people saying 4 cell will be easier on batteries - Go look at the amp draw needed for the same power at lower voltage.

Less voltage means more amp draw, which in turn, makes for More heat and less run time.
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I also find the timing of this revelation to be a little questionable as well, with a large segment of the TC racing crowd away at a major event.
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I should put up a coupon on the site......discount on 4 cell packs for the 115 dingleberries who voted for Queller....

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For the people saying 4 cell will be easier on batteries - Go look at the amp draw needed for the same power at lower voltage.

Less voltage means more amp draw, which in turn, makes for More heat and less run time.
thats not what im saying,

lets for the sake of argument ponder this, off the store shelf pack would not be equal in voltage and runtime to what a factory team cell that are the top 1% of production (that is withheld from the public, since the factory is saving it for their drivers). And not to mention if a driver has a new pack for the next round would also have an advantage of a driver who has to use the same pack.

right now team drivers dont have an advantage with batteries or motor, why change that?
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