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Old 10-31-2006, 05:32 PM   #46
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....They are and will be somewhat tunable, but it's not going to be like it is today where companies can exist that do noting but tune motors.....
I know its Halloween and all but you don't have to scare everybody.

There are some great guys out there that tune motors. I think they'll find a way to adapt to the times just like everyone else.

That said, I agree, there is still a lot of "magic" involved with brushes. Not to mention the "regular" guy will never see the big number motors or batteries.

Here's to leveling the field and let the driving speak. Not your "connections"
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Old 10-31-2006, 05:42 PM   #47
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Hear this hear this. I'm donating a 5800 next tues. night. Where going to disasmble it. Down to the lenghth of the wire be there. If not dont worry WE'll post it. FASTLANE RACEWAY BLUE SPRINGS MO. Join our gotta see whats in there work shop rc 1on1.
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Old 10-31-2006, 05:48 PM   #48
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Hear this hear this. I'm donating a 5800 next tues. night. Where going to disasmble it. Down to the lenghth of the wire be there. If not dont worry WE'll post it. FASTLANE RACEWAY BLUE SPRINGS MO. Join our gotta see whats in there work shop rc 1on1.
Hopefully you mean yours, and not the one I loaned you! :-D
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Old 10-31-2006, 05:51 PM   #49
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Booga booga boo. I scared you. Yah its mine I want to run yours. Unless you say wait I know you want to maesure that wire.
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Old 10-31-2006, 06:36 PM   #50
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there is a track 70mi south of me that runs only 19T on asphalt with foams. they have recently been thinking about BL, i recommended the 4300 stock no mods to keep cost down. with the stock rotor being faster for onroad, but having to change it out regularly to maintain the edge maybe the sintered arm is the way to go. i also currently run on a small carpet track where we run 13.5/27T together. it's almost the same as the 4300 vs. 19T you guys talk about. the 27t's are faster on the straights and the 13.5 does better thru the infield

at our track 4300/19T run together in pan oval. with the sintered arms now the 19t's can't touch them, but that's oval.

just checking out the Omaha site and saw this...baffles me?

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Midwest Carpet Onroad Championships

Stock Rubber TC A1 Main Round# 5, Race# 4

________________________Driver___Car#____Laps____R aceTime____Fast Lap___Behind_
Howard, Matt #1 25 5:10.606 12.091
McKinney, Ken #3 24 5:12.527 12.107
Taylor, Jared #4 23 5:04.252 12.487
England, Derek #2 23 5:08.667 12.488 4.415
Tripp, Brandon #5 22 5:02.544 13.076
Riera, Jason #6 8 1:55.581 13.405
Marks, Tim #7 4 1:09.647 14.700
VanBuskirk, Garrett #8 0 0.000


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4300 Rubber TC A1 Main Round# 5, Race# 5

________________________Driver___Car#____Laps____R aceTime____Fast Lap___Behind_
Sturgeon, Alex #1 24 5:03.297 12.257
Marker, Steve #2 24 5:09.616 12.130 6.319
Hildebrandt, Jim #3 23 5:02.971 12.652
Driver, Curtiss #8 21 5:08.364 13.257
Ficco, Mario #5 18 4:04.996 12.754
Beardmore, Todd #4 6 1:58.807 12.895
Schultz, Lee #6 5 1:10.907 12.893
Ski, Tim #7 0 0.000
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Old 10-31-2006, 06:44 PM   #51
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One of the guys earlier was saying that in Omaha, the "fast" guys are still in stock, which would probably explain why they're faster in stock than 4300. It doesn't take much for a good stock drivers to beat average 19T drivers, and the gap is even smaller between stock and 4300. Plus, isn't Matt Howard a pro?
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Old 10-31-2006, 06:59 PM   #52
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makes sense.
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Old 10-31-2006, 07:04 PM   #53
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Alex was in the 25's and is very good. However he has been running the offroad stuff in Omaha and hasn't been running TC. He borrowed a car for the weekend and worked in the store while racing. He would tell people what to change they would do it and he would go drive. Matt Howard is Losi sponsored and won two classes. So don't let the numbers listed fool or mislead anyone.

Just to add to that the best runs....

Stock Foam - Tony Block - 26 laps - 5:09
Stock Rubber - Matt Howard - 25 laps - 5:08
4300 Rubber - Alex Sturgeon - 25 laps - 5:12
19T Foam - Jari Taskila - 28 laps - 5:02
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there is a track 70mi south of me that runs only 19T on asphalt with foams. they have recently been thinking about BL, i recommended the 4300 stock no mods to keep cost down. with the stock rotor being faster for onroad, but having to change it out regularly to maintain the edge maybe the sintered arm is the way to go. i also currently run on a small carpet track where we run 13.5/27T together. it's almost the same as the 4300 vs. 19T you guys talk about. the 27t's are faster on the straights and the 13.5 does better thru the infield

at our track 4300/19T run together in pan oval. with the sintered arms now the 19t's can't touch them, but that's oval.

just checking out the Omaha site and saw this...baffles me?

Scoring Software by www.RCScoringPro.com 1:50:01 PM 10/29/2006

Midwest Carpet Onroad Championships

Stock Rubber TC A1 Main Round# 5, Race# 4

________________________Driver___Car#____Laps____R aceTime____Fast Lap___Behind_
Howard, Matt #1 25 5:10.606 12.091
McKinney, Ken #3 24 5:12.527 12.107
Taylor, Jared #4 23 5:04.252 12.487
England, Derek #2 23 5:08.667 12.488 4.415
Tripp, Brandon #5 22 5:02.544 13.076
Riera, Jason #6 8 1:55.581 13.405
Marks, Tim #7 4 1:09.647 14.700
VanBuskirk, Garrett #8 0 0.000


Scoring Software by www.RCScoringPro.com 1:58:27 PM 10/29/2006

Midwest Carpet Onroad Championships

4300 Rubber TC A1 Main Round# 5, Race# 5

________________________Driver___Car#____Laps____R aceTime____Fast Lap___Behind_
Sturgeon, Alex #1 24 5:03.297 12.257
Marker, Steve #2 24 5:09.616 12.130 6.319
Hildebrandt, Jim #3 23 5:02.971 12.652
Driver, Curtiss #8 21 5:08.364 13.257
Ficco, Mario #5 18 4:04.996 12.754
Beardmore, Todd #4 6 1:58.807 12.895
Schultz, Lee #6 5 1:10.907 12.893
Ski, Tim #7 0 0.000
The true test is take MATT HOWARD who is really fast,and have him run the brushed sedan and then run the brushless and you will see the actual difference or similarities.Not to say Alex Sturgeon is not fast but its not really a comparison unless Alex is as fast as Matt. BTW,WTF is Matt Howard running stock for!?
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Well I probably shouldn't speak for Matt but I know he wants to run rubber tires. Might have something to do with his sponsors I don't know. I think he mentioned if he had his Type R he was going to race 19T foam but he didn't.

Anyway like was mentioned its not fair to compare these results. We all know a 4300 is faster than stock. Although the results look odd if you had watched or raced there it really wasn't surprising.
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Old 10-31-2006, 07:21 PM   #56
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I think that a driver who owns a battery company did a test. He ran 19T IB4200s and then ran Novak 4300 and li-po and was 2 to 3 tenths a lap faster with the 19T and IB4200s.

The brushless/li-po is not quite up to speed with a top notch motor and battery but it is defiently getting there and for us normal club racers the brushless/li-po combo puts us pretty darn close to these guys.

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Mr. Black you are the man. If you really want yo see a great speck car or should I say a speck platform for some very fair and on a bugdet racing. You should get with Syndrome he really is there. The coolest part is you can run any car. seriuos bumper to bumper racing. I'll be honest I dont want to go to the sintered rotor till I have to. I feel I have an egde with the stock one its more exspensive but I think its faster but also faster to wear out. I'll just make it simple' pick your car and run that platform And I will add, The only reason I dont run One right now is that tight of racing is to much pressure and I mean that in a fun way. And your right. The journey is the the fun part.
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Old 10-31-2006, 08:27 PM   #58
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I keep seeing these cool sayings so I thought I wuold throw one out. Here it is. May the rc god shine apon us all but when you race with me I hope the glare blinds you.
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Guys, mind sharing what's a sintered rotors? Any pics ?
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Its Novaks new rotor. It is suppose to help improve performance in their brushless motors. Keep it cooler, last longer etc...

syndr0me can definetly give you alot more info,

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