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Old 10-05-2006, 11:48 AM   #31
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Personally... I still fell this a prelude to a TA05 Pro, rather than a 416... Main reason being that every maufactuer has gone with rear motors (prime recent examples... TF5 stallion and JRXS-R), more than anything as it allows the cells closer to the centre line. With the front belt setup on the '05, the batts are further out than on a 415...

The other point, a rear motor should provide more traction on a belt car, due to the motor torque effect, it squats the the rear down under power.

Still... does look nice, but not a 416
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Well, having had my TA05 (the car this is based on) for over a year now and having run it with the Orion Lipo for a while..I don't think this statement is too valid.
Not too get nit picky but not only have I run Tamiya cars almost exclusively for the last 10 years on a weekly basis, I am also in charge of their track on the weekends. Plus I have run a TA-05 since the weekend they arrived, I also have several friends that work for Tamiya both in the US and Japan. I am very much a fan of Tamiya products and fell the make the best hands down but I am also very honest and the fact remains centering the two heaviest components on a vehicle is a huge step in the right direction and not doing this puts the overall design at a dis-advantage not everyone uses the same weight batteries and electronics so very few will be able to run the vehicle with out a major addition of weight.

Consider this you show up with your car running four cells or Li-Po and only have to add 6oz. (kind of a lot for some people) That is all well and good since the guy next to you has to add the same amount in his center battery/motor mounted car, until you realise you have to put the weight in a certain spot just make it balanced where he can add the weight to any where he wants to make the car handle in a special manor giving him an advantage. Some will say but "With a side mounted car I could put my weight more forward or back if I wanted to" Well that is not really the case you are starting with a trapazoid and trying to make it a rectangle the other started with a rectangle and is now allowed to move out any side he wants at will.

Everyone knows there are advantages to centering the weight and I have talked to them about it in the past but there are factors that have not been figured out yet and I am sure they will soon. There is a reason this design keeps being revisited. Also remember chassis companies are often like a flock of birds once one design starts winning everyne jumps on it and clones it until another design does it.

Batteries were placed across the chassis for many years and then they realised the swing weight was too much, but now if we go to four cell (probably won't happen but who knows?) then they may rethink this, also if Li-Po does become the next standard there in not such a heavy mass to worry about.
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Old 10-05-2006, 12:24 PM   #34
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Also considering the shortened wheel base I can see people running this under the Toyota MS2 body as well.
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I understand your point...and have also been racing Tamiyas since 1997...but I don't feel the ballance will be an issue. Maybe at the absolute highest level of racing...but not at a club level.
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Not too get nit picky but not only have I run Tamiya cars almost exclusively for the last 10 years on a weekly basis, I am also in charge of their track on the weekends. Plus I have run a TA-05 since the weekend they arrived, I also have several friends that work for Tamiya both in the US and Japan. I am very much a fan of Tamiya products and fell the make the best hands down but I am also very honest and the fact remains centering the two heaviest components on a vehicle is a huge step in the right direction and not doing this puts the overall design at a dis-advantage not everyone uses the same weight batteries and electronics so very few will be able to run the vehicle with out a major addition of weight.

Consider this you show up with your car running four cells or Li-Po and only have to add 6oz. (kind of a lot for some people) That is all well and good since the guy next to you has to add the same amount in his center battery/motor mounted car, until you realise you have to put the weight in a certain spot just make it balanced where he can add the weight to any where he wants to make the car handle in a special manor giving him an advantage. Some will say but "With a side mounted car I could put my weight more forward or back if I wanted to" Well that is not really the case you are starting with a trapazoid and trying to make it a rectangle the other started with a rectangle and is now allowed to move out any side he wants at will.

Everyone knows there are advantages to centering the weight and I have talked to them about it in the past but there are factors that have not been figured out yet and I am sure they will soon. There is a reason this design keeps being revisited. Also remember chassis companies are often like a flock of birds once one design starts winning everyne jumps on it and clones it until another design does it.

Batteries were placed across the chassis for many years and then they realised the swing weight was too much, but now if we go to four cell (probably won't happen but who knows?) then they may rethink this, also if Li-Po does become the next standard there in not such a heavy mass to worry about.
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Old 10-05-2006, 12:38 PM   #36
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I understand your point...and have also been racing Tamiyas since 1997...but I don't feel the ballance will be an issue. Maybe at the absolute highest level of racing...but not at a club level.
No worries, now onto the more important questions like how available will spare parts be and can they be purchased seperatetly to make other things like a 4WD Suzuki Swift!
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I understand your point...and have also been racing Tamiyas since 1997...but I don't feel the ballance will be an issue. Maybe at the absolute highest level of racing...but not at a club level.
I understand what you're saying too but it's us 'club-level' racers that are ALWAYS on these threads asking questions determined to get our cars to MIMIC the cars that the highest level racers run... so in the end, balance will always be an issue, among other things That's just the nature of it...
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Don't look for Losi to have an advantage...on the contrary, the Losi's brittleness will be it's handicap!
You haven't seen or used the new EA3 composite components then. The new parts are very durable. Also, if you're considering the LW suspension to be strong, you just haven't driven on a board track yet. At the TCS in Memphis this year, I broke on 12-15 runs. Countless A-Arms, steering knuckles, front uprights, bent hinge pins, you name it. Granted, I'm not the best driver in the world but I did make the show at the NA Finals this year, so I know I'm not a newb either. The LW parts are some of the most brittle out there.

For what it is, it's a pretty car. I just think its intended to be a shelf queen though.
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Nope...haven't driven the JRXS-R yet, as most of the world hasn't. But I did run a JRXS last year for the entire outdoor season and it drove fine...but had some durability issues. I sold it before carpet season just in time to watch a lot of locals breaking like crazy on the rug. I have not used the LWS, as I have had no NEED for it yet. To date I have broken 1 front knuckle on my TA05, with 100+ hours of driving it (a years racing).

If the compound of Losi's is more durable, great...I hope they do well.

Good job at the NA Nationals...hope maybe to see you guys next year!
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You haven't seen or used the new EA3 composite components then. The new parts are very durable. Also, if you're considering the LW suspension to be strong, you just haven't driven on a board track yet. At the TCS in Memphis this year, I broke on 12-15 runs. Countless A-Arms, steering knuckles, front uprights, bent hinge pins, you name it. Granted, I'm not the best driver in the world but I did make the show at the NA Finals this year, so I know I'm not a newb either. The LW parts are some of the most brittle out there.

For what it is, it's a pretty car. I just think its intended to be a shelf queen though.
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at $635 thats one pricey shelf queen. i want one just to have one!
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Great another car with the motor hanging off the side so when we switch to four cell or Li-Po it will dialed for oval.

As much as I am pro Tamiya I think Losi may soon have a big advantage.
Thats like saying Brushless is taking over completly....Not happening ANYTIME soon, Just like Li-Po's and or 4 cell racing isnt ganna be happening anytime soon......if ever....
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or 4 cell racing isnt ganna be happening anytime soon......if ever....
Errrr can you tell the BRCA that please ,coz they are under the impression that`s the way to go & they are trying to get it in over here for next year
this will be following the EFRA body group, the IFMAR then mars bar then etc etc
and least of All ROAR will follow suit to fall inline
they are all trying to slow the cars down some what

different story ,different thread methinks

4 cell will sneak it`s way in some where
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if you cant drive it dont make an F-ing diff how nice the car is.. its nice as hell but really..so is the MRE and the 007 XRAY its just a matter of who can cut corners better then the next brother long live RC RACING>>>
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in the 1st pic it looks like the center shaft is only being held in on oneside?
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