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Old 11-13-2006, 08:45 AM   #91
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Yes.

How does a track that gets the recommendation from the applicable committee and the majority of regional directors get hosed for the Nationals?

And before I get a reply regarding a "technicality", do you mean to tell me that a simple phone call or email reminding them for the measley $35 fee was too much to ask?
Tell me which track and I will tell you why it got "hosed"
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Adrian, maybe ROAR should ask the AMA where they get their insurance from... Tell me which hobby is more dangerous???
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Adrian, maybe ROAR should ask the AMA where they get their insurance from... Tell me which hobby is more dangerous???
Apples and oranges sir.

ROAR: 6000 members at $30 a pop.

AMA: 1 Millon Members at $60 a pop.

You tell me who has the better insurance coverage?
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Apples and oranges sir.

ROAR: 6000 members at $30 a pop.

AMA: 1 Millon Members at $60 a pop.

You tell me who has the better insurance coverage?
The AMA has a million members??? That's highly doubtful.... I just signed my 7 year old up as a Jr and his number is something around 870XXX, I've been a member on and off for the last 20 years and my number is only in the 400,000's.....

Does ROAR offer a Jr membership for $1 till the age of 19? Granted I pay the full $58 for myself but we don't need 2 copies of Model Aviation.... Even if we got him MA, it'd still be only $15 till he turns 19....

Every flying field by me requires AMA membership, not a single track in my area requires ROAR....

I still haven't seen any ROAR certified RC Car instructors....
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Still trying to figure out how 5 non-elected positions (and 6 currently) get to have the final vote on the direction of ROAR.

Those people have no accountability to any of us. If they do something we don't agree with, we can't vote them out....and they know it. We get a say-so for just 2 of the 7 voting members...that instills a lot of confidence, doesn't it?

The Regional Directors, much like our elected people in Congress, should be on the Excomm....not these other 5.

No wonder I can't get a straight answer from anybody.
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Old 11-13-2006, 12:48 PM   #96
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The US Supreme court comes to mind.
They have the final word and serve as a model for ROAR.
Nothing wrong with that.
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The US Supreme court comes to mind.
They have the final word and serve as a model for ROAR.
Nothing wrong with that.
Supreme Court Justices need to be approved the the Senate.

And the Supreme Court doesn't make the laws.
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Still trying to figure out how 5 non-elected positions (and 6 currently) get to have the final vote on the direction of ROAR.

This system was designed a long time ago to provide stability with the changes in elected officials. The Supreme Court is a good analogy.

You want to elect the ExCom? May I remind you that you guys don't exactly have a great track record of electing good presidents. Mike Queller is the best we have had since Mike Reedy was in office.


Those people have no accountability to any of us.

Acutally we are appointed by the President but the rest of the ExCom has to accept us.

If they do something we don't agree with, we can't vote them out....and they know it. We get a say-so for just 2 of the 7 voting members...that instills a lot of confidence, doesn't it?

Like I said given the presidents you have elected in the past...its should. FYI, when a new president is elected a few ExCom members leave and get replaced by new people. It VERY HARD to find qualified people that have the spare time to do this so new Preisdent usully try to keep as much of the ExCom as possible.

The Regional Directors, much like our elected people in Congress, should be on the Excomm....not these other 5.

We have to chase most of our Regional directors just to send reports and race results to RevUp. There are 2 regions with directors that do NOTHING that ended up having ZERO regional races this year. Are you sure thats who you want in charge?

No wonder I can't get a straight answer from anybody.

I am giving you straight answers....they just happen to not be what you want to hear. Unfortunaly like in politics we can't make eveyone happy all the time. All we can do is make the best decisions we can based on facts and experience.
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May I remind you that you guys don't exactly have a great track record of electing good presidents.
This is all I needed to hear.

You have little confidence in the members' ability to decide for themselves.
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And 4200 are not even legal for 2007, per ROAR's rules...

The rules clearly state they must be approved by Oct 1, for the following year see rule 8.3.6, currently the 4200 are appoved as Jan 1, 2007 (http://www.roarracing.com/approvals/sbattery.php) this means that 4200 are not legal in a ROAR race in 2007, they are legal in 2008 per ROAR's rules.

I did e-mail the powers at ROAR, they told me that they would bring this up this meeting, but I did not see it on minuites from the meeting. So what is the story here.
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This is all I needed to hear.

You have little confidence in the members' ability to decide for themselves.
We have proven to fail at this time and time again.
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And 4200 are not even legal for 2007, per ROAR's rules...

The rules clearly state they must be approved by Oct 1, for the following year see rule 8.3.6, currently the 4200 are appoved as Jan 1, 2007 (http://www.roarracing.com/approvals/sbattery.php) this means that 4200 are not legal in a ROAR race in 2007, they are legal in 2008 per ROAR's rules.

I did e-mail the powers at ROAR, they told me that they would bring this up this meeting, but I did not see it on minuites from the meeting. So what is the story here.
If you notice the header for the column with the dates

"Competition Legal Date"

This means it was approved by the Oct 1 date.
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Jack - thanks, this was my bad.... Can you forgive this older man ???
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And 4200 are not even legal for 2007, per ROAR's rules...

The rules clearly state they must be approved by Oct 1, for the following year see rule 8.3.6, currently the 4200 are appoved as Jan 1, 2007 (http://www.roarracing.com/approvals/sbattery.php) this means that 4200 are not legal in a ROAR race in 2007, they are legal in 2008 per ROAR's rules.

I did e-mail the powers at ROAR, they told me that they would bring this up this meeting, but I did not see it on minuites from the meeting. So what is the story here.

I beleive that the batts needs to be submitted and aproved by 10/1/06 but the actual date it will be legal to race is 01/01/07.


the fact that roar already has the approved list this year shows that ib 4200
will be legal for 2007.
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I'm not pissing this fire, but this is just to funny...

It seems the the ROAR members do not have confidence ROAR and ROAR does not have confidence in the members... Look like it is finger pointing time. Any one have some popcorn and butter and beer to go with it????
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