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Old 10-12-2006, 12:39 PM   #16
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Hi
Over here in the UK we have been running the Infamous T27`s (no additve ) for many years , then the UK woke up & all gone Rubber (additive) cs22,sorex 28 LRP/Nosram V-tech24r/27r about 3 years ago
we all run Ozite (prima felt GT ) no wear ,except on tyre`s

Absoloute godsend going over to Rubber/carpet saved many clubs from going under
90% of the UK don`t fun Foams it`s all rubber/carpet or rubber/asphalt

slighty slower then Foams by a lap or two , but nothing in it really

you have to relearn griproll setup though if running Rubber total oppisite too Foam

go over to it ,you won`t go back
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Old 10-12-2006, 12:43 PM   #17
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forgot
the carpetwars link in sig ,this is in it`s 3rd year running carpet/rubber
1st year was t27`s , now it`s slicks
track it`s self is 24m x32m 12 rolls inall 140 drivers aswell all on 1 day
Ian is looking for 170 this time round (it`s going to be a long day )

Carpet look fine aswell
additive allowed is
LRP top carpet,Corrally tc2 carpet ,tc4 jack the gripper ,
none of that smelly paragon or other stinky one`s allowed !!
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That is incorrect. You can Call Scotty Ernst the Promoter of the IIC and the Novak race and owner of S&N Trackside at (262) 783-4699 and ask him yourself. His racers run rubber and foam regularly and there is no diffrence in the carpet wear.
That's not incorrect. I'm just telling you what I observed from two tracks that we race on here in Detroit. I just wonder if it is the tire or the traction compound that makes these two tracks so different. One wears out fast and gets really gummy by mid season and the other seems to stay in great shape. They get pretty equal amounts of racers. Just an observation, not sure what's really right?
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That's not incorrect. I'm just telling you what I observed from two tracks that we race on here in Detroit. I just wonder if it is the tire or the traction compound that makes these two tracks so different. One wears out fast and gets really gummy by mid season and the other seems to stay in great shape. They get pretty equal amounts of racers. Just an observation, not sure what's really right?

are they both GT primafelt or is one the Enduro type (cheap as chips) this one wears fast in like 1-2 season`s, but a good tester to see if club racers like the idea before splashing all the club`s money on GT (very expensive)
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Carpet with foams lasts about 7 years. Rubber tires on carpet 2-3 years. This is my experience from different tracks. Ask Frank Calandra yourself. E-mail [email protected]
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Who had 7 year old carpet...lol! Everyone changes it every 3-5 years anyways.

The differences in carpet life are mostly due to carpet quality. The CRC foam backed ozite is awsome and very tough. The non crc stuff that a lot of guys bought a few years back was very poor in quality an could wear through in 2 years no matter what you ran.
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Who had 7 year old carpet...lol! Everyone changes it every 3-5 years anyways.

The differences in carpet life are mostly due to carpet quality. The CRC foam backed ozite is awsome and very tough. The non crc stuff that a lot of guys bought a few years back was very poor in quality an could wear through in 2 years no matter what you ran.
Our track changed its carpet after 10 YEARS, and that same carpet is in use at another club...
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That's not incorrect. I'm just telling you what I observed from two tracks that we race on here in Detroit. I just wonder if it is the tire or the traction compound that makes these two tracks so different. One wears out fast and gets really gummy by mid season and the other seems to stay in great shape. They get pretty equal amounts of racers. Just an observation, not sure what's really right?
I'm not an expert by any means, but I was told that Paragon will evaporate out of the carpet after a while, but other brands of traction compound remain in the carpet and build up after time.(thus the 'gummy' feel by mid season)
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Jack the Gripper and TQ products have less volatile solvents in them so they stay in the carpet and build up. Paragon is very volatile and can dry out of a track from Sunday night to the next Saturday morning.
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Adrian laugh all you want. It's true.
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Our track changed its carpet after 10 YEARS, and that same carpet is in use at another club...
it looks like USA guy`s have different carpet to us for some reason
coz this carpetwars carpet is going to last another 4-5 years no probs

maybe because UK uses much friendlier additive towards carpet

also the maritme club have GT aswell every thursday they race with 50+ drivers .tight track with rubbers . still showing well no probs even after 2 years worth of racing
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We found that after we put in the new CRC carpet last year, there was a problem with a gummy build up. The 12th scales really noticed it.

Stockton was having the same problem when they were getting ready for nats.
We stopped using the TQ, that has an oil base. The new carpet has a foam backing and seems to prevent it from airing out.
We never had problems with the older crc. We went to Gripper and it's been great. If you can get it. Hint to Corally
We also run a lot of rubber and now foam is coming out due to the season.

One thing to keep in mind is that rubber is less intimidating to the newer racers-all that truing, gearing and chunking that can happen.
So, ya got to get them in the door and happy. I've had racers run rubber tires for a couple of months, or 1 month and notice a difference.
I've also had racers run foam for a good month without chunking.
It all depends on the level and how they handle their car.

I haven't seen any difference on the wear on the carpets. It all goes eventually. We also run team trucks with street tires. I've had a track for 7 years and almost 99% of the tears and things that happen are from the screws and such. Change the track and keep everyone racing.
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From what I have seen at my local tracks rubber wore out the carpet quicker.

*shrug*
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There are conflicting views. It would be nice to understand what causes premature carpet wear some places but not in others.

Who knows ?
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Carpet with foams lasts about 7 years. Rubber tires on carpet 2-3 years. This is my experience from different tracks. Ask Frank Calandra yourself. E-mail [email protected]
i hear this story being peddled before... hey tell me, what kind of tires does crc sell?? (jokes)
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