What foams for carpet
 

Same carpet as IIC.

who says what? im leaning towards jaco 2 stage

Jaco Stage 2's or..

Jaco Double Pink Orange and Double Pinks. I would use Jaco Purple Oranges and Purples. Mainly cause they tend to last longer, but can be .1-.2 slower depending on ur car's setup

or..

Parma Cyan and Magentas
Parma Plaid and Purples - Wear slower

i run speedmind hybrid 3 front and 35 shore rear. they work just as good as jacos but the rims are indestructable. they wear pretty good. my lap times are a little better than with jacos.

I'm definately no expert, but if you tend to hit a lot of boards, I'd go with the Parma's. They don't chunk as much. With the Jaco's just hit one board wrong and its Ka-chunk!
Cyan / magenta = super grippy
Plaid / purples last forever

But I think all the fast guys use Jacos...

If your going to the IIC then there might be a little something different there for sale. :sneaky:

I would start with Jaco 2 stage dble pink Rears Dble pink/orange fronts.

EA

Check out the new Parma Indigo front's with their standard Magenta rear, compared to a cyan the indigo steers more, is easier to drive and scrubs less, I havent found a level of bite so far that they have not been superior in.

I run the same. The tires and rim seem to hold up better for me as well versus the other stuff I have tried.

Yeah, I'm going to have to agree. The indigo fronts are super dialed.

-Korey

Does the front wear slower? when i ran cyan and megentas, the fronts would be .5 to 1mm smaller!

i dont think you can go wrong with the parma cyan/magenta set-up see some really fast guys at my local track using the indigo/magenta and there cars are silly in the corners
i think the parma wear better then some of the others out there

thanks for all the suggestions.....now it turns out that i dont need foams afterall :( good thing i didnt buy a chassis set for foams!

I have never really had issues with the fronts wearing different than the rears, that could come down to car set up possibly. Never will you have all 4 tires starting at lets say 57mm all get to lets say 54mm all at the same time, with camber wear and everything and since the track is never a perfect figure 8 with even left and right corners i normally find that each tire wears a bit different, but not enough to really hurt the handeling of the car, and worst case you might want to reskim them halfway through their life to get everythign squared up again.

With the indigo's you might have to alter your set up a bit, ie take some steering out, but anytime you have the same amount of steering with less physical steering throw you are scrubbing less speed and going to go faster.

New JACO "Stock tires":
New wheel
Narrow width
Lower profile
Lower price
2-stage
Lighter
Stronger wheel
Improved drivability
Lower lap times

OH-Great-now everyone knows about the Parma Indigos-lol

For TC
Parma Cyan or Indigo (some use indigos and CA the edge while they dont CA the Cyan). I run a BMI 350 Xray fk04 and it likes the Indigo fronts, more steering and more corner speed.

Parma Magenta rears

For 12th
For my CRC T-fource

Parma Purple or Violets (19t)

Parma Grey rears

I am going to experiment with more of Parma's 12th compounds like Black front and black rear. My T-fource didnt like Black fronts, but others running the CRC 3.2r run Black fronts.

Ray
p.s. see ya in Vegas!!

Can't agree more with my buddy Mark (Stormperson).

You can't go wrong with Parmas.

The new Indigo is an awesome front tire. It really does make a car easier to drive and turn more at the same time. It makes the car feel like it is on a 2 stage tire even though it's not.

For Medium Bite carpet (Touring)...

Indigo Front/Magenta Rear

For High Bite carpet (Touring)...

Cyan Front/Magenta Rear

The Indigos haven't been out long enough to get true testing on traction surfaces like SnowBirds, IIC, and Indoor Champs. I think they will work well on that type of traction, but only testing will answer that.

Oh ya... the 12th scale rims are really cool too. :sneaky:

parma indigos
 

i agree. they are the tire to have, for almost every race. they are way faster in low grip, and they wear much better because the hard ring on them never peels off when compared to the "orange" material. and because it is very hard, you can run larger tires than you normally would and you'll still get the reactivity you do with small tires, or wraps because the sidewall holds firm.

so basically, the parma indigos offer:

- more laps at a competitive pace
- faster laps at low-mid grip levels

parma is offering an engineered and tested product with better wear/adhesion and the same, or better, lap times.

People going to run Indigo at Vegas!? We will need a update for the high bite!

so far, the indigo tires have looked good. we have been testing them for months here in cleveland.

tq and win, stock sedan at the michigan state race (med grip/paragon)
tq'ed the summer sizzler at trackside (med grip/jack)
tq and win, vegas warm-up at fastcats (med grip/jack)

i think they will work fine in high grip, but your car may have to be set around them, which is pretty normal for a well setup tc. paul c. tested them at the snowbirds in mod, and the car stayed down very well.

and this is all without using c/a on the sidewalls.

Ray blacks work well on really high bite for t-bar cars in stock but you have to dope almost the whole tire when the side wall is glued. it will take the edge off and keep it from tipping. I think if it gets as high bite as it did last year in vegas I'll be running blacks up front.

purples had too much bite and were tippy, but fast.

might give them another shot

Jack, Will these be available before/at IIC?

-James

Yes. Right now CEFX has some as does AB Charles. We will have them in Vegas and before. We can sell some to shops that are interested in giving us feedback. "Official" release will be next week.

I think it is time for a spec foam tc tire. Are you guys tired of wondering what compound some people run ? will you have the latest compound. We will have them at the track........no testing, but only a few have them now.

Theres very little mystery in foam tires. Sure-theres the occasional compound that one or a few drivers have that we all find out later they had, but its far from the rule. if you cannot make your car work on jaco 2-stage tires or Parma Cyan and Magenta tires at a big race-youve got bigger problems!!

but as far as i saw some of the factory driver setup they are using F/R magenta for 1/12 modified and Hara and Marc was using F/R double pink in modified touring in vegas race last year. :confused:

schreff/seaball, would you guys still reccomend those tire combinations for running 19t TC on carpet without any additive?

We've ran control (orion 40 shore fr/rr) tires the last few years but they have opened things up this year. It's Primatrack GT carpet so there is plenty of grip and there might be up to ten 1/12th cars running on the same day laying down a little additive. Do you guys run the same width foams fr/rr? Cheers.

i would say yes.

so far, the only time that i would recommend cyan over indigo is when the grip gets high enough that the cyans have tons of steering. at a big race, i think the cyans are easier to drive. the orange sidewall flex softens the car up on center. some guys like the allot of turn-in (schreff), while others don't. that's a preference, but i think the indigos will be faster in anything but high grip. they will still be fast in high grip, but maybe not as necessary as they will be at a club race.

also, for the 2-stage crowd: you can get the feeling of 2-stage tires when the indigos are cut to 54mm or so because they don't peel up. :nod: of course, not at a roar event. :eek:

i can't say enough about the range of sizes that these indigo tires are good at. i run them larger to start (57mm), and keep running them until they are super reactive at 54 and lower! they are still fast at 54mm. that's like 8-10 runs on a set of front tires that you immediately start fast with!

These are the tires labeled 26mm with the odd looking wheel correct? Im going to try these out tomorrow

I have ran a plaid/purple combination before and was wondering if anyone has used the indigo's with purple rears? What is your impression?

Thats got to be a typo because a dbl pink front as opposed to a dbl pink orange on frnt will be nearly undriveable. Youd have to have such a different set-up to make it work.

my impression
 

I'm the KING of mismatching tires to run on a weekly basis, i run what i can find that day, I ran Cyan/Purple last week and really didnt notice a HUGE difference but what I did notice was i had to use about 1/8 less compound up front to keep the car from being overly aggressive....thats MY impression....-T- take from that what you can get.

I dont think so... They were running double pinks all the way around on Marcs car at Vegas when he ran on foam tires.

I know he runs magentas front and rear on his carpet knife too.

-Korey

Hey Ray,
so you still preffer dbl pink rear and dbl pink orange front? even runing modified class?

I personally handed Marc the tires he ran for the mains and they were JACO 2-stage double pink rears and double pink/orange fronts. In fact, I ran over to the hobby shop wall and pulled them off because he needed them fast and I didn't have time to run all the way up to my room to get more.

What about CRC "Pro-Cut" tires?

maybe they made some mistake when they post their setup