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Old 10-31-2006, 09:03 PM   #481
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Yes. Change the spacer stack to keep a good ride height. Change the rear axle spacers as well. You should have a selection of spacers for the rear.

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Old 10-31-2006, 10:34 PM   #482
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I don't know of any manufacturer who still makes jap tires. I bought the remaining tires from Ufra last year, so I have a stack of 30+ pair of jap-soft, jap-medium and jap-hards here.
I can sell you some if you like.
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Pro-ten holland. Thanks for the offer. I am still wondering what brand of servo saver you have on your car as it is nice and small compared to mine. Nice chassis.


Peugeot 905 B .030 body

I have this body in hand now. I miked the thickness on the sides and it is about .019. This is considerably thicker than the one I used previously and should be better suited to my track. It feels about the right stiffness in my hands. I plan to run this body next. The sticker on the package describes it as Light Weight Medium Downforce.


New Roll Schematic and Roll center Schematic
Note that I put a discussion of roll stiffness and a roll schematic up on the previous page. Just following I put up a roll center schematic.

http://www.rctech.net/forum/showthread.php?p=2766890&highlight=roll+stiffness# post2766890

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HPI,Yokomo and Eagle racing also have 1/10 pan car tires in Japan.

In Malaysia, no hobby shop sells the 1/10 pan car tires. Therefore, I buy a lot of rear tires everytime I fly to Japan. As for the front tire, i buy the TC foam tires from speed mind or jaco and soak them in acetone overnight. The next day, two pair of foam ready to be taped or glued to the pan car wheel.

In doing this, i fix the rear tire shore rating and vary the front tire choice from 32 (for narrow pan car) up to 45 (for wide pan car). I basically have wide range of front tire for almost any track condition. It's really easy to get a neutral handling without having to change the suspension geometry or spring.
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Pro-ten holland. Thanks for the offer. I am still wondering what brand of servo saver you have on your car as it is nice and small compared to mine. Nice chassis.


Peugeot 905 B .030 body

I have this body in hand now. I miked the thickness on the sides and it is about .019. This is considerably thicker than the one I used previously and should be better suited to my track. It feels about the right stiffness in my hands. I plan to run this body next. The sticker on the package describes it as Light Weight Medium Downforce.


New Roll Schematic and Roll center Schematic
Note that I put a discussion of roll stiffness and a roll schematic up on the previous page. Just following I put up a roll center schematic.

http://www.rctech.net/forum/showthread.php?p=2766890&highlight=roll+stiffness# post2766890
my servo saver is a kimbrough 12th scale. I had to shave of a little material from the center circle for additional clearance for the ball cups.
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Old 11-02-2006, 06:33 AM   #486
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Hi ok I opened my Pantoura 1/10 scale on road car today for the first time had it for years but never opened it to find no Insturctions or wheels or tires normal I guess on the wheels and tires I have some but no Instruction was odd but it will be fine I make r/c cars and a pan car you could get much less techno I will be running a Mamba 5700 in this car and If it ok with John I would like to post my findings as well from time to time ok and I will also be working on a new design front suspension ok Thanks!

I hope to join John and Proten in this View in on road 1/10th scale R/C Cars.
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Marty-Feel free to make posts. The instructions for the Pantoura front end can be found in an Associated L3T manual here is a link for a free download. My car came with 1/12 pan instructions which is basically the same car just smaller.

http://aedownloads.com/downloads/man...l3t_manual.pdf


The rear end can be assembled from photos in my second post on this thread. I have been using GRP wheels and tires. I have no complaints. You will need 1/8 x 5/16 flanged bearings to run these front wheels. My kit came with unflanged bearings. You will need at least 1/4 inch spacers under the front suspesion to get the proper ride height. I used the body posts stops that came with my kit. Other tips are in the early pages of the thread along with a setup for asphalt.

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Marty, I'm definitely interested in hearing your experiences with the Pantoura. I have an L2 and an L3T and I still keep looking at the Pantoura... (Maybe even the Darkside car...)
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Marty-Feel free to make posts. The instructions for the Pantoura front end can be found in an Associated L3T manual here is a link for a free download. My car came with 1/12 pan instructions which is basically the same car just smaller.

http://aedownloads.com/downloads/man...l3t_manual.pdf


The rear end can be assembled from photos in my second post on this thread. I have been using GRP wheels and tires. I have no complaints. You will need 1/8 x 5/16 flanged bearings to run these front wheels. My kit came with unflanged bearings. You will need at least 1/4 inch spacers under the front suspesion to get the proper ride height. I used the body posts stops that came with my kit. Other tips are in the early pages of the thread along with a setup for asphalt.

Pro ten Holland-Thanks again.
Thanks John I found it best to go back to the first page of the posts and start there I will first run the car in a stock setup as in width
Then I will move on to the rest of it like you did but In my final car I will make a New 3mm Wide Chassis and see if it is all I think it will be.

I also Found the bearings in the box for the Front wheels and I remembered you having this problem and went hunting for it!

I must say your work here is helping me a lot.

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Marty, I'm definitely interested in hearing your experiences with the Pantoura. I have an L2 and an L3T and I still keep looking at the Pantoura... (Maybe even the Darkside car...)
When I am done with this Car I will also by the Darkside car... and do the same and test them both. and see what is what as they say!

Then last I will be coming out with my own Chassis! to run with this pack!

I will also be working on that trick suspension for it as well.

But first get this one going.

and fill the rest of the orders I have to get me some time to run it.
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Well I will tell you this there is nothing in this world than having a pan car on a car stand and just spining the front wheel and watch it spin and spin and spin "lol" sweet! ok so I am a little crazy but am I the only one that ever did this It has been years from my pan car day's why did I ever stop running these cars Oh I remember T/C took over :LOL: and there were no people to run with.
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Well Marty, I like to spin those front wheels as well.


Track Report. Track very Dusty, but it came in a little on the 3 rd run. I used the Novak 3.5 R geared 7.38 (huge 96 spur almost as big as the very short tire and 13 Pinion. I cannot go to a lower gear on this narrow pod car (smaller pinion or bigger spur). Top speed was good, bottom end was softer. This suited the dusty conditions well. I will give this motor another shot when I can use a lower gear. With a new tire the gear will be insufficiently low. Good mid straight (short straights) acceleration, but it might be better with a slightly lower gear ratio. I will put the 4.5 back in on Saturday. We will have sugar water then.

I sanded .1 inch off my A-arms on a stationary belt sander to raise my front ride height up to 5.5 mm or so with purple springs on the car (note that I have a built in 1/4 inch spacer, so most people will never need to do this on a 1/10 pan car. I could see that the front wheels were no longer leaving the ground on the straight. (no more bottoming the spring or car) I could drive any part of the straight even the outside lane. Unfortunately the purples spring is a bit soft in the corners and I had too much front grip. Went back to the Murdoch Progressive silver spring. The sway bar will allow the use of the soft spring.

The KSG sway bar is in hand now. It is not wide enough for a wide pan car. I will have to make a new long shaft from 1/8 inch pianno wire. The other parts will work great. The ball studs are 2-56. This is good as I will not have to drill a very big hole in the A-arms. Sadly, it did not come with predrilled front upper A-arms. It would be nice to do this on a jig for the customer.

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I will try to get an open mod 1/10 electric class started at our track. Any 1/10 body, any chassis, motor, battery; run at the same time as a Touring car class like a Lemans series race. 53 ounce maximum weight. Scored separately. I'll see if I get any takers on Saturday.

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I will try to get an open mod 1/10 electric class started at our track. Any 1/10 body, any chassis, motor, battery; run at the same time as a Touring car class like a Lemans series race. 53 ounce maximum weight. Scored separately. I'll see if I get any takers on Saturday.
I'd always wanted to do something like that... Too bad we don't have any tracks around here that can accomodate it....
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try mentioning any new class at one of the local tracks i race at and be prepared to get tun out of town on a rail.... that's why i like my little club in asheville.. it's just a few of us and we run what we like. real layed back.. next year it's pancars baby.. officially our new class. we'll still run the touring too, but i think they have all gotten pans now...
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Just FYI, we will be running an RWB Class at all of our big road course races at Thunder Road. RWB means "Run What you Brung". If it's 1:10 Scale, maximum of six cells, and has ground clearance of 4mm, it's legal. And that includes pan cars. Let's see how it goes. Thanks; Ernie P.
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