R/C Tech Forums

Go Back   R/C Tech Forums > General Forums > Electric On-Road

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 08-01-2006, 03:36 PM   #16
Tech Master
 
rmargiotta's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: 210
Posts: 1,379
Trader Rating: 57 (100%+)
Send a message via AIM to rmargiotta
Default

I don't mean to contradict everything that's been said on this thread, but my good ol buddy kyle skidmore was saying that he was talking to barry baker and barry said that if he ever saw him using dual rates he was going to kick his a$$. Ever since then, skidmore and (using the his info) I have run everything at 1 to 1, the only thing I use in my hardcore waste of $400 (radio) is my end points, haha! It's really hard to get used to especially on carpet but I believe it will make you a better driver faster, but you will be cutting corners a couple feet short when you first start doing this.

But as far as getting to be a better driver, similar to what Schorr was saying, once you get to where you can run a 5 minute heat without hitting anything, try to start following the local fast guy. Luckily Ron Atomic and my buddy Quincy Hughes run at the local carpet track and I get to try to follow their lines and see where they lose their tenths.

When it comes down to it, track time is the only thing that will make you fast.
__________________
Sponsors:
- Cold Hard-Earned Cash Money -
rmargiotta is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-01-2006, 03:55 PM   #17
Tech Regular
 
Z.Hallett's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Reston, Virginia
Posts: 401
Send a message via AIM to Z.Hallett
Default

dual rates adjust how far your wheels can turn in unison. if your wheels turn the full swing, it wont help with steering, instead it will actually slow you down because the front wheels will scrub off speed instead of turning. so Barry Baker may be wrong or your friend misunderstood him. i was told by Josh Cyrul that you should adjust your dual rate for carpet to where you can just make the tightest turn with full wheel throw on your transmitter.
Z.Hallett is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-01-2006, 08:02 PM   #18
Tech Champion
 
robk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Macho Business Donkey Wrestler
Posts: 7,587
Trader Rating: 22 (100%+)
Default

Barry may be using a radio that also adjusts expo and end point at the same time. A friend told me the Ko Helios is like this. Expo is usually considered a big no no.
__________________
A mutually re-enforcing cascade of failure

"Failior [sic] crowns enterprise." Robert Goddard

I-Lap Scoring Systems http://www.rclapcounter.com/
robk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-01-2006, 08:26 PM   #19
Tech Regular
 
Z.Hallett's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Reston, Virginia
Posts: 401
Send a message via AIM to Z.Hallett
Default

my Helios adjusts them independently, that is absurd. they are two completely different adjustments. expo adjusts the servo speed expo nentially to the servo position and the position of the sterring wheel on the transmitter. this can make the car less twitchy around center, due to slowing the speed of the servo in that position.

endpoints adjust how far the servo is allowed to rotate to prevent it from hitting the stops on the knuckles to prevent servo strainage and bent linkages. this can be set independently from left to right.

dual rate adjusts servo throw in BOTH directions. this helps to make the turning radius smaller or larger depending on the number inputed.
Z.Hallett is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-01-2006, 08:59 PM   #20
Tech Champion
 
Still Bill's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Reno, NV
Posts: 7,237
Trader Rating: 12 (100%+)
Default

Listen to the top drivers that tell you to drive SLOW to go FAST.

Let off the throttle early to drive into the inside apex point of a corner instead of overshooting it by 4-5 feet. That will easily lead to faster laps.

Give yourself time to get better. And have FUN doing it!
__________________
Constantly evolving CRC WGT and WGT-R/T...Carpet & Asphalt...All thanks to Team CRC.

And a pair of Associated B6 buggies for turf and clay tracks.
Still Bill is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-03-2006, 07:56 AM   #21
Tech Elite
 
BSchorr's Avatar
R/C Tech Elite Subscriber
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Sioux Falls, SD
Posts: 4,820
Trader Rating: 92 (100%+)
Send a message via AIM to BSchorr Send a message via Yahoo to BSchorr Send a message via Skype™ to BSchorr
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Z.Hallett
dual rates adjust how far your wheels can turn in unison. if your wheels turn the full swing, it wont help with steering, instead it will actually slow you down because the front wheels will scrub off speed instead of turning. so Barry Baker may be wrong or your friend misunderstood him. i was told by Josh Cyrul that you should adjust your dual rate for carpet to where you can just make the tightest turn with full wheel throw on your transmitter.
Ya, Everyone does this. But you find once and a while where guys will have like 90-100 dual rate! Crazy! I usually set my dual rate like 5% higher then what the tightest turn is on teh track, because some times when you get into a jam and you over shoot the corner alittle or whatever, you need to be able turn sharper to get out of it. YOu always see when people spin out or get spun out.

But some times! when you crash/spinout/or get spun out and it leaves you facing something bad! The wall! that extra 5% helps ya, you always see the car going pretty slow to turn around. this 5% helps ya to be able to turn around faster. You know what i mean
__________________
Proline ~ Genesis R/C Products ~ First Premier Satellites
BSchorr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-03-2006, 07:13 PM   #22
Tech Addict
 
Jmccormick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: maine
Posts: 626
Default

Practice, Practice, Practice, dont pay attention to lap times at first get comfortable first after that then check your lap times for consistancy and dont worry about turning a fast lap!!!!
dont change your cars setup to much at first get some wheeltime so you can actualy see what the car does when you do make changes I have seen guys who blame thier lack of ability on the car not the fact that they just dont have the skills yet and they never improve because they are always wrenching instead of practicing.The ONLY WAY TO GET THESE SKILLS IS TO PRACTICE.
Jmccormick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-03-2006, 07:58 PM   #23
Tech Fanatic
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Colorado, Above The Rest
Posts: 992
Trader Rating: 2 (100%+)
Default

Do not hack!!!
__________________
Team BSR
Team Power Push
Protoform Race Bodies
KSKT Racing - #1 in SK Racing Chassis
Darkside Motorsports - "WE ARE WHAT'S NEXT." - www.darksidems.com
THE DARKSIDE is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-04-2006, 05:19 PM   #24
Tech Addict
 
Jmccormick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: maine
Posts: 626
Default

I will define hack LOL
1) is a guy that has good control of his car but will not let anyone pass him without roughing them up and is no fun to race with.
2) someone who just wants to as fast as possible and cant controll thier car because of this and hits anything and everybody.............
Jmccormick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-07-2006, 07:28 AM   #25
Tech Champion
 
tc3team's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: UK
Posts: 6,151
Default

Consistancy helps win a race. Theres no point in doing 2 or 3 fast laps then a slow lap,neither can you win a race on the first lap,but you can easily lose it!

I was constantly doing 18.3 second laps yesterday and to me it was a great achievement knowing I could put the car on the track and get the same lap times for 16/17 laps. twice I did slower laps,a 20 and a 22 but I could see even without the mistakes I couldnt gain a qualifying position.

Just focus 110% on where your car is on the track at any given time to start with,the speed issue doesnt matter,deal with that later.

Practice,its the only way you learn how the car works and how you want it to work
__________________
Fusion Hobbies / www.horshamrc.org

The wife stops me being sane and the r/c stops me from going insane....
tc3team is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-07-2006, 09:07 AM   #26
Tech Adept
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 131
Default

When you do practice get someone with a bit of experience to tell you where you are going wrong because practicing is great but if you are practicing doing something bad that is not good.

Remember practice makes permanent (not perfect)
LEE UK is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-07-2006, 09:08 AM   #27
Tech Rookie
 
Dixie Wrecked's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Detroit, MI
Posts: 10
Default

Practice practice practice!
Dixie Wrecked is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-07-2006, 12:34 PM   #28
Tech Elite
 
Skiddins's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Windsor, UK
Posts: 4,762
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by PRO 2 RACER
A question for the top level racers out there.

What do you concentrate on when you are driving, and how do you do it? Is it -
Breaking points?
Where do you look when driving?
At your car?
Just in front of it?
Do you look down the track and back at your car?

When you first go to a track do you walk arround it, check other peoples lines? Look at it from different angles?

What would be your tips for middle of the pack drivers to concentrate on, other than don't crash.

I am assuming with this question the car is set up, I just want to know about driving skills and how to improve.

A bit of help for all of us would be appreciated.
Thanks
Braking Points - I run stock so they don't exist

Where do I look - At the front of my car, but 'loosely' enough so I can see the cars in front and behind without thinking about them too much. I never glance at points where my car isn't simply because I will inevitably go off line/miss turn in etc.

When I go to a new track my impatience means the first thing I do is stuff some cells in a let rip, I try to get what seem to be good smooth fast lines around the corners, then I concentrate on the 'troublesome' corners that always seem to require that bit more technique.

After a run I'll then walk around the track (paying particular attention to the 'troublesomes' and chicanes and 'S' bends) to see if they can be straightlined etc.

If there are breaks in the track markings I'll even keep cutting through to repeat the same small section to find a rythmn.

Last of all, put it all together and use a fews race packs to try and gain that consistancy through all the corners every lap.

Nothing helps as much as experience, try lots of other venues etc.

I'm not saying I'm a great driver by a long shot, but last year I was regularly in the bottom 10-15 out of 40 at club level, by now I'm regulary in the A final including some regional events.

Skiddins
__________________
Xray T4'18, T4'14 (Wet Car)
Xray X12 2018
Xray X1'16
wlrc.co.uk (West London Racing Centre)
RCDisco.co.uk
Skiddins is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-07-2006, 01:28 PM   #29
Tech Elite
 
mafiaracers's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: West Linn, Oregon
Posts: 3,759
Trader Rating: 22 (100%+)
Send a message via AIM to mafiaracers Send a message via MSN to mafiaracers
Default

The best thing I've ever heard was "slow is fast"
The best thing I've ever tought myself "smooth throttle, roll on, roll off"

just smooth out your whole driving style and you're set!
__________________
Chris Woods

MAFIA MOTORSPORTS
http://www.rctech.net/forum/r-c-items-sale-trade/168239-pit-board.html

TEAM WAVE
www.teamwaveonline.com

TQ Racing Wire
www.tqracing.com
mafiaracers is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-07-2006, 01:50 PM   #30
Tech Fanatic
 
tbeardmore's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: aka "Rock Star"...!
Posts: 879
Trader Rating: 3 (100%+)
Default

Don't forget to BREATH...!
__________________
BMI DB10R, Corally RDX PHi, BMI 12R..!!
Need a "real" car... contact me at:
www.beardmorechevy.com -or- www.beardmoresubaru.com
tbeardmore is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Is my glow plug working properly? bosley Nitro Off-Road 13 03-09-2008 03:23 PM
Much More CTX-D2 Discharger - NOT WORKING PROPERLY Still Bill R/C Items: For Sale/Trade 6 02-03-2008 11:36 PM
How to properly tune an engine for on-road racing, edwintklee Nitro On-Road 31 08-26-2007 07:10 AM
How often do you have to work on these things? RCn00bHelpMe Electric Off-Road 26 02-03-2007 03:05 PM
Super clod not steering properly darthvincor Rookie Zone 8 10-03-2005 01:44 AM



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -7. It is currently 12:42 PM.


We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.
Powered By: vBulletin v3.9.2.1
Privacy Policy | Terms of Use | Advertise Content © 2001-2011 RCTech.net