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Old 12-30-2006, 09:07 AM   #511
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Well no argument here. You put a great perspective on it.
I guess we have always gone with the flow.
The cost of cd's have come down sense there release date.
I just hope our hobby can follow suite. When I started racing 10 years ago you could buy a motor for 25.00. Now they cost 40.00. As the decline of racers grew the cost went up to compensate profit.
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Old 12-30-2006, 09:26 AM   #512
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Price drop on the carbon ed. LiPo speedtech rc has them for $79.99 where as tower has them for $89.99
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Old 12-30-2006, 09:41 AM   #513
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I guess thats the 3200's. Great price. I run the 4800's at 140.00.
No more punch I guess just run time.
If those were available when I started lipo I would have bought them.
There more universal to the fit. I run an FK05 just so I can fit the 4800's with less modification.
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Small problem, Speedtech has been out of stock on the 3200's for weeks. I found them on e-bay for $79.99, but you gotta watch for them.

I believe all racers have a budget. I've been competing for close to 15 years. Racers spend on race fee's, equipment, motors, batteries, tool and hop-ups. (etc.) The frustration comes in when your 3 month old batteries have been eclipsed by the NEW XX00 mahr cells and to stay competitive you have buy a new "set" of packs and build them. Some spend all there budget on batteries and forgo the hop-ups for now. They are so busy managing their batteries they fall short on time for set-up, maintanance and working on there driving skills. Others just try to manage with the packs they have and are stuck in the B or C.

All this leads to FRUSTRATION or apathy resulting in another soul lost to the hobby as their interest is lost. Who looses in the long run? The local track and the local hobby shops as well as the remaining racers. The battery importers, manufacturers make their money today. But the hobby looses.

There are so many battery matchers out there because of demand. If you compete, you want the advantage or at least the same output. that cost lots of dollar$$$$$.

If the hobby is to grow, the cost need to be reasonable and the waste needs to stop. How many land fills are full of old R/C battery packs. I doubt everyone recycles propperly.

Now if you told a new potential customer/racer that the battery costs is $100, but you only need one or two and they will last for 10 years with no degradation in performance, the cost savings is obvious. More folks would take the plunge and the hobby would grow. The same argument works for the motor of the week club as a NEED for brushless technology in the sport also.

Racers would have more funds for hop-ups. Hobby shops would have more customers spending at their shops instead of spending on mail-order/internet batteries or others that just don't bother with sport/hobby.

The ultimate loosers are the battery matchers and motor builders as well as their suppliers. Here is where ALL the resistance to brushless and lipos begins. "follow the money"

I will now get off my soapbox.

That's all I got to say bout that....

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Old 12-30-2006, 10:43 AM   #515
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You have put alot of heart in your thought's.
I can only shake your hand on that post.
If I sold batteries our motors I would invest in some tires and body manufactureing.
Excellent post my hats off.
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Old 12-30-2006, 11:54 AM   #516
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so this is how me & 414mph see it
all we need now is the non-supporters to convince us other wise
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Old 12-30-2006, 01:21 PM   #517
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You know you are right....Page 3 of the manual states "Do not use automotive type battery chargers to power the charger"

But I'm still a little confused. On the first page of the manual there's a note that says:

"Team Orion Avionics does not recommend the use of an automobile battery as a power supply. This is due to errors that can arise which may cause damage to cells and or charger."

What errors can arise from using a car battery?
I suspect the part about the car battery is in there because of the trouble you can cause your self with it. (shorts, shocks explosions etc.)

Telling you not to use a "automotive type battery chargers" is because a automotive charger will give you 12-14v, but it's Really noisy power, which will wreck the Orion charger.
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Old 12-30-2006, 01:33 PM   #518
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MR JOLLY & 414MPH

I agree with you both.
Like in any industry people have to adapt to change or they will go out of business. This happens with lots of things so why should RC be any differant.

The benifit of saving time when using LIPOS is one reason I started to use them my self. Two weeks ago I did my first all day event with them, and it was great. We had practice, 4 qualifiers and a final. I used 2 3200 carbon packs only and had loads of time to do car setup and even socialise without having to think about putting my cells on just the right time or are they cool enough to recharge. After the day I put them in box until yesterday, 2 weeks later I charged therm up ready for tuesday club night.
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Old 12-30-2006, 06:53 PM   #519
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Personally, I'd recommend you get the 3200mah packs. They are cheaper, and have the same power and punch of the 4800mah, but weigh about 50g less. It will put less stress on your drive train and keep it running cooler. This is great for 5-6min racing, especially for 19t or stock. However, if you use the 4800mah packs, do not plan on running them on LOSI JRX-S, Xray, Tamiya MSX, unless you dont mind modifiying the bulkheads on those cars. One advantage of the 4800mah, is that it fits on all cars, and for racing, you can run 2 heats with the same pack. The 4800 are great for longer run times if you need them.
I was only able to get 1 carbon lipo since there was shortage of supply in HK. Only one shop had them. Atleast now I can use lipo for my mini cooper. So convenient I wont be bringing 3-5 set of stick packs and dischargers, cooler, etc.
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buy 2 carbons and sell your platinum to me

ive read somewhere that punch and runtime is comparable to IB4200, even if the carbon has a lower mah rating.
Sell me your platinum instead since I play everywhere around THREE times a month. You only run TWICE so I'm more in need of lipo convenience. Add the brushless I'm gonna buy when I get some cash and that will be rc heaven.
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I have been running the 3200s for about 3-4 months now and I just wonder if anyone else has noticed that they just don't seem to be as fast as IB4200s when running brushed motors(CO27)? I seem to lose about 2-3 tenths when comparing the li-po to the IB4200s. But when using brushless motors they are faster.

Just curious,

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I've already heard three racers say that matched packs still have more punch given a 5 minute race on stock(27,23 turn). Its a bit soft compared to using new nimh cells in stock/spec racing. That's one reason they wont switch since they want to win. Lipo hasn't caught on in Indonesia where rc racing is a LOT bigger than here in the Philippines and I haven't heard Japanese racers switching even for club racing. All I want is the convenience and the long term less cost since it gives consistent output than nimh and wont be needing to buy new cells every few months.
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Old 12-30-2006, 07:52 PM   #522
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mr jolly I am a supporter, I hope you know that. I just have a concern that its heading the same way as before. I guess even in the long run cost or not its better than constant maintenance. I am going with the trend as well as anyone. And enjoying it more than ever. Like I said. Before I go back to sub-c or brushed motors I'll quit racing. I just see the need to keep the brushed alive as well. I'm not trying to convence you to go back to the head ache and cost of the old stuff. Any how great debate later.
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I've already heard three racers say that matched packs still have more punch given a 5 minute race on stock(27,23 turn). Its a bit soft compared to using new nimh cells in stock/spec racing. .
i can back that up aswell (uk side)

we have non-supporters over here in the uk saying they give a unfair advantage in the power stakes ,making motors go faster

not true
when my 4800 was well (it`s ill at the mo ) i was just about the same speed as the other`s down the straight all running 27t (only class at this club)

what racers don`t relise if they use there c-cells once-twice a week it is deterioting on every charge & they are slowley go off the boil , then you are asked to try a 4800 ,it`s going to be faster dimwit!!

fair comparison brand new matched c-cells & brand new 4800 ,c-cells have the advantage still (till the 10th charge maybe) but the Li-Po is there cheaper & running stronger
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Old 12-31-2006, 02:35 AM   #524
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My 4800s are 8 months old and are still perfect. I run a round cool and repeak, and before each repeak the voltage is 7.75 to 7.65 consistanly every charge.
Till this very day they run as good as the day I bought them. And a friend at the track is running the same 4300 for over a year.
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Heres something you might have noticed? My 4800's would cook the com on my 19 turns alot worse than my sub -c's. In comarison at our track with 19's it was a dead heat.
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