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Old 10-01-2007, 08:40 PM   #1666
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Is the new 3600 made by Kokam or another manufacturer?
I hope its Kokam. Cause if its not, then to me its no better than buying a pack from one of the numerous other companies selling Lipos now.

I can't imagine Orion going away from what's been a great relationship with Kokam.

If this pack is the same size as the 3200, but heavier, then I'll be all over it. Easy fit into my Mi3, with fewer weights to add on...
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I'm guessing Linger's question came about because Kokam doesn't appear to have a 3600mAh cell.
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I must be missing something. My 3200's have plenty of capacity for stock club racing. 20C vs 25C, what is the big deal? Would somebody please explain.

Don't get me wrong, I love my Orion LiPo's but it seems like a lot of hype for a little more capacity that I don't need.
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20C vs 25C, what is the big deal?
How about an Extra Punch and longer life of the lipos Youll actually feel the difference
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How about an Extra Punch and longer life of the lipos Youll actually feel the difference
Not in stock. The battery will only discharge what the motor will allow it to.

If the motor will only use 40 amps, it doesn't matter much at all if the peak discharge capacity goes from 20C (64 amps for a 3200) to 25C (90 amps for this new 3600). In fact, I believe Linger was saying that higher C-rate cells generally have lower cycle life.

Not saying it won't help in mod classes, but I think you're kidding yourself if you think you're going to notice it in stock.
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i dunno if u think bout it higher c rating means higher current which must mean lower internal resistance which should mean more punch. but on the flip side look at intellect nimh cells when your internal resistance becomes two low u get terrible cell life.
so the 25c i dunno but 3600mah over 3200mah is always gonna be better
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i dunno if u think bout it higher c rating means higher current which must mean lower internal resistance which should mean more punch. but on the flip side look at intellect nimh cells when your internal resistance becomes two low u get terrible cell life.
so the 25c i dunno but 3600mah over 3200mah is always gonna be better
No...LOL...if you actually KNOW about it, the battery will only discharge what the motor will flow. If you were dead-shorting it through a piece of re-bar, you will have more current...but since there's this thing called "Ohm's Law"...you have take the resistance of the motor into account.

Stock motors have relatively high resistance (small wire, more winds) and mod motors have relatively low resistance (big wire, less winds). More resistance, less current.

But yeah, more capacity is better...that's why I have 4800s.
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I must be missing something. My 3200's have plenty of capacity for stock club racing. 20C vs 25C, what is the big deal? Would somebody please explain.

Don't get me wrong, I love my Orion LiPo's but it seems like a lot of hype for a little more capacity that I don't need.

I'm with you. The extra capacity doesn't interest me, and to tell the truth, I have no idea what the difference between 20C, 25C, or whateverC is.

All I'm interested in is if this is the long awaited heavy lipo. If its not, then I'll pass.
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I'm with you. The extra capacity doesn't interest me, and to tell the truth, I have no idea what the difference between 20C, 25C, or whateverC is.

All I'm interested in is if this is the long awaited heavy lipo. If its not, then I'll pass.
"C" rating is the current rating as it relates to the capacity.

A "20C" 3200mAh pack (3.2 Amp/hour) can safely discharge at a rate of 20 times 3.2 or 64 Amps. A "15C" 4800 (4.8A/h) pack can safely do 72 Amps (15 times 4.8).
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Sneak peak coming this Fall from Team Orion the first of the next wave:
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From the schematics in the back ground one could speculate that the voids in the "feet" and the space that used to be present on the top of the 3200 have been filled with tungsten or the like. Looks to me like a 4800 case with feet and the extra room houses the extra capacity and the weight.
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Check out slide 9 on this link http://press.team-orion.com/press/av...am_quality.pdf.

The c rating has more to do with battery life at a given discharge rate than anything else. I don't think higher c ratings necessarily give you more punch. I currently have both Orion 3200's and Orion 4800's and I can't tell the difference as far as punch.

The "new" 3600 has 6 percent more capacity that the 3200, big deal. Especially when I only use half the capacity of the 3200 in a heat anyway.

Unless the new 3600 has the same exact weight and dimensions as a NiMh pack, I just don't see any advantage. It needs to be physically interchangeable with the industry standard. IE fit in a Corally Phi (or any other r/c car) with no grinding.

The product managers at Orion have missed the boat on this and we are starting to see how they are going to sell us new and "improved" LiPo's.

Having said that I still think Orion LiPo's are currently the best available option for an electric r/c car application.
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