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Old 08-16-2006, 09:32 AM   #106
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My biggest hurdle is I started in the mid 80's... Things have changed a lot! I only know how to draw by hand. I was actually thinking about taking a CADD course through the local CC before I decided to comit myself to returning. My wife is going back for her masters at night, so I figure 2 can play that game...

I don't know if I'd have the patience to digitize an already existing car 1 figure at a time. I know I was watching something where they were digitizing cars with a camera and hundreds of targets placed all over the body, even that had to be extremely time consuming.
Yeah, things have changed quite a bit. With the background you do have, though, it would be very easy to get into CAD Design. Those positions are in huge demand and pay just about as well as engineering.

One way I can digitize these cars, if the geometry gets too complex for my freeform surfacing ability, is to talk one of the guys in the QC department to make a point cloud with a CMM when they have some free time. One of the guys is a Model Railroader, so I think he might be my best shot. The CMM comes in and touches the surface with an IR probe at thousands of points across the surface and I can use them to approximate the sheets that make up the geometry. Sometimes that is just as time-consuming as creating the idealized geometry itself, though.
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Old 08-16-2006, 09:49 AM   #107
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I know there's a digitizing probe that you can put into the collet on a CNC mill and digitize 3D parts. Taig (Microproto) offers it as an option with their desktop machines but I'm sure you could use it in a huge Bridgeport too... If I had the room I'd have a Bridgeport sitting in my garage, my 2 cars just fit as it is....
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Old 08-16-2006, 01:57 PM   #108
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Cool conversation on Road Racing bodies. Great work on the computer too.

I too love the GTP and Can Am eras. We do actually still produce our GTP bodies from the 80s designed for the 1/10 wide pan cars...Jaguar, Toyota and Nissan NPT90. We even still make a few 1/12 GTP bodies from the early years.

Producing such bodies to fit the current Touring Car chassis' is a definite problem, mainly due to the high shock towers to get the proper look. We have designed two GT style bodies for 190mm cars fudging the best we could with the high shock towers. They are pictured on our website..."FlyingM GT" and "Wildcat 3".

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Cool conversation on Road Racing bodies. Great work on the computer too.

I too love the GTP and Can Am eras. We do actually still produce our GTP bodies from the 80s designed for the 1/10 wide pan cars...Jaguar, Toyota and Nissan NPT90. We even still make a few 1/12 GTP bodies from the early years.

Producing such bodies to fit the current Touring Car chassis' is a definite problem, mainly due to the high shock towers to get the proper look. We have designed two GT style bodies for 190mm cars fudging the best we could with the high shock towers. They are pictured on our website..."FlyingM GT" and "Wildcat 3".

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I ordered a couple Wildcat bodies a year or two back for my son and I, and really like them (see avatar for my simple Racer X paint scheme on a Wildcat). We've been asked "What are those?" on more than one occasion and have gladly told everyone: McAllister Wildcats.

Thanks for the nice bodies.

I know I'll get flamed for this, but I like the current Grand Am "Daytona Prototypes". I know, they're not "classics" but a nice Crawford Pontiac body from McAllister would be awesome.
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I ordered a couple Wildcat bodies a year or two back for my son and I, and really like them (see avatar for my simple Racer X paint scheme on a Wildcat). We've been asked "What are those?" on more than one occasion and have gladly told everyone: McAllister Wildcats.

Thanks for the nice bodies.

I know I'll get flamed for this, but I like the current Grand Am "Daytona Prototypes". I know, they're not "classics" but a nice Crawford Pontiac body from McAllister would be awesome.
That Flying M GT and Wildcat from McAllister actually looks a lot more like either a McLaren or a Daytona Prototype...
http://www.mcallisterracing.com/racing/page4.html

No flaming necessary. The DP cars are growing on me, too. Just not to the point where I'm gonna devote a coupla dozen hours at my workstation modeling one up and who knows how many hours prepping a mold to vacform them!
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If someone made some DP bodies I'd buy them....

I suggested to Hellion prior to him dropping of the face of the earth...
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Cool conversation on Road Racing bodies. Great work on the computer too.

I too love the GTP and Can Am eras. We do actually still produce our GTP bodies from the 80s designed for the 1/10 wide pan cars...Jaguar, Toyota and Nissan NPT90. We even still make a few 1/12 GTP bodies from the early years.

Producing such bodies to fit the current Touring Car chassis' is a definite problem, mainly due to the high shock towers to get the proper look. We have designed two GT style bodies for 190mm cars fudging the best we could with the high shock towers. They are pictured on our website..."FlyingM GT" and "Wildcat 3".

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Old 08-16-2006, 04:05 PM   #114
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Producing such bodies to fit the current Touring Car chassis' is a definite problem, mainly due to the high shock towers to get the proper look. We have designed two GT style bodies for 190mm cars fudging the best we could with the high shock towers. They are pictured on our website..."FlyingM GT" and "Wildcat 3".

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Gary, that's what's nice about Tamiya's new F103GT, the 190mm pan car. The chassis is low enough so that you can realistically model these very low slung cars. They did a nice job on the Courage body too. I've never liked TC bodies and in 1/8 scale no one wants to run anything else but that awful Lola. This could really grow into a class that represents today's LeMans Prototypes as well as older World Sports Cars (Ferrari 333sp, BMW V12LMR, etc.) if more chassis manufacturers (Team Assoc., re-designed RC10L?) and other body companies too (how about it ProtoForm?).
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Well I like the Dp cars and back in this post I said I wish someone would make them the odd shape would allow room for shock towers, and it would be a good body for touring cars / But on the other hand our cars do not have shock towers and our next touring car will not have shock towers as well.
It will be the same Chassis as our our X10P4 but with laydown shock system like our F2006F1.

It will be based off of our F206F1 like this.
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Old 08-16-2006, 04:47 PM   #116
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Check out a new one from Tamiya.

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sorry, didn't see the post above for the same car.
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I got mine last Monday, the detail Tamiya has put into the shell is amazing, but there is no way that it will fit of a touring car chassis without major modifications which would ruin the body.
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This could really grow into a class that represents today's LeMans Prototypes as well as older World Sports Cars (Ferrari 333sp, BMW V12LMR, etc.) if more chassis manufacturers (Team Assoc., re-designed RC10L?) and other body companies too (how about it ProtoForm?).
I am hoping that too, but Protoform isn't exactly known for making realistic bodies and won't it turn out think this:

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Except after a year or two this Speed 8....



Would look like this Speed 8....



And novices would loose interest because the cars look goofy...like door stops.

A lot of you weren't around for the rise and fall of 1/10th pan cars. I was. I have heard this all before and saw a class I loved to race get killed by well meaning guys with what seemed like good ideas.
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i've made it easy. i just run my 10L2 now.
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