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Old 10-13-2006, 06:10 AM   #361
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Thanks Terry,
I understand, rules be rules...
Glad t made it there safe and sound.
Let me know onthe next step.
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Terry,
You missed my most important question:
Do you stock new AMB personal transponders on hand that can be purchased so that the clones can be made? This would save a lot of time since I wouldn't need to buy a new AMB personal transponder, have it shipped to me, then ship it to you. If so, what is the price of the AMB personal transponder?
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Sorry James I did miss your question, I read it but forgot to give the answer. Unfortunately the answer is no, we don't stock new AMB personal transponders. We would like to help people who don't have an AMB PT already, one day we might be able to do something to overcome this problem.
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Terry,

Please check your PM's

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Bill PM's checked and replied!
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Bill PM's checked and replied!
My transponder is doing just fine. My regular one was just fine but for the price and the change in color I couldn't pass up a deal like that.
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Old 10-18-2006, 08:39 AM   #367
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My appology if this has been answered, but...

Doesn't this product corrupt the system as soon as people start selling-off (for whatever reason) their "cloned" pt's that now have multiple units on one ID? Say racer "John Jones" bought 3 PT's all on the same ID. Then he loses his job/his real car gets wrecked/girlfriend gets pregnant/insert reason for downsizing or leaving the hobby. Sells off his gear. Now there are possibly THREE different people, possibly in the same area, using the same transponder ID. To my knowledge, none of the scoring programs looks for PT conflicts like they do freq. conflicts because, 'til now, it's a non-issue. Then, suppose they change the programs and look for this, how are conflicts handled. Freq conflicts were historically easily resolved with keeping a couple sets of $15 crystals, now with synth and DSM it's no cost at all. Do rules need to be re-written to allow for PT conflicts and resolution?

Don't get me wrong, I think offering improved PT's is great, but I'm concerned about the effect on things a year or two down the road.

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Old 10-18-2006, 08:54 AM   #368
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My appology if this has been answered, but...

Doesn't this product corrupt the system as soon as people start selling-off (for whatever reason) their "cloned" pt's that now have multiple units on one ID? Say racer "John Jones" bought 3 PT's all on the same ID. Then he loses his job/his real car gets wrecked/girlfriend gets pregnant/insert reason for downsizing or leaving the hobby. Sells off his gear. Now there are possibly THREE different people, possibly in the same area, using the same transponder ID. To my knowledge, none of the scoring programs looks for PT conflicts like they do freq. conflicts because, 'til now, it's a non-issue. Then, suppose they change the programs and look for this, how are conflicts handled. Freq conflicts were historically easily resolved with keeping a couple sets of $15 crystals, now with synth and DSM it's no cost at all. Do rules need to be re-written to allow for PT conflicts and resolution?

Don't get me wrong, I think offering improved PT's is great, but I'm concerned about the effect on things a year or two down the road.

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This was brought up before in this thread, I think it was decided that the I-PT will be the catalyst for the proverbial "end of days"

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Sorry Harsh--asking a genuine question. Was HOPING it had been addressed, but it hadn't been in the first three pages (first time I'd seen this thread) and I wasn't keen on reading ten MORE pages of "can I make up a number and have you clone it" and "but what happens to my original transponder" over and over.

If the question has been addressed, and you seem to indicate it has, what was the concensus?

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Sorry Harsh--asking a genuine question. Was HOPING it had been addressed, but it hadn't been in the first three pages (first time I'd seen this thread) and I wasn't keen on reading ten MORE pages of "can I make up a number and have you clone it" and "but what happens to my original transponder" over and over.

If the question has been addressed, and you seem to indicate it has, what was the concensus?

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If you read the contract that you must sign when you get your transponder cloned, reads that the cloned transponder are for your personal use only.
Meaning that you are soul owner of said transponder number.
And that you will not go off selling your number to others.
I personally wouldn't buy a cloned PT of anyone else anyhow. It has there name imprinted on the i-PT...
Hope that gets you over your end of days sinario..
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No probs Shookie,

Other than I JUST got a PM from someone who runs a race program that has had EXACTLY what I described occur. I think it's GREAT that they sign an agreement but you know what, people let things (money) REALLY cloud their judgement when it comes to things like being "stuck" with PT's they won't use and/or saving a few bucks and buying same.

As far as "economy" goes...one of the great things about the AMB's (and no one likes monopolists) is that there's always a ready market to buy unwanted units so you can always recover most (or all if you bought used) of your money invested. Apparently not the case if playing by the iPT rules--you're investment is sunk, and I just don't believe for a minute that everyone really intends to play by their rules. Example...software license agreements. People click "agree" whether they plan to abide or not, but you have to click to play.

Will be far longer before it affects us here than you in SoCal (or any other active RC area) as we're pretty remote. Wait a couple years, THEN we'll judge who was right.

Best of luck with these. They seem neat, but if they're genuinely an improvement (and they seem to be) they should be done on individual numbers and the original AMB unit rendered non-saleable. Then it's a matter of finding a price at which you're willing to offer that service and people are willing to pay for the better product. Any other method leaves things too open to corrupting the system.

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hey Terry, i have already sent and received a cloned PT, if i wanted another one with the same # as the cloned one, would i have to send you my AMB again or do you already have that info, making the process quicker and easier
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As I understand it, your details are kept (also stops pt's getting recloned with a different user). So there isn't any need to send the pt again.
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As I understand it, your details are kept (also stops pt's getting recloned with a different user). So there isn't any need to send the pt again.

if thats the case Terry ill take another one!....send me a paypal bill for the amount

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Hi again acsubie, no need to send your PT again we have your ID# stored on file so the process will be quicker and easier this time. I will let you know the amount tomorrow as it's getting late over in the UK!

Hi Scottrik, it's been mentioned already a few pages back. It's quite easy, if ever there are two PT ID's the same in a race the AMB should get priority. For there ever to be two the same (ie the AMB and a cloned i-PT) the owner of the original AMB PT would have done something to cause the problem, unless his original had been stolen. All i-PT clones have the owners name embedded inside so it should be obvious if someone else is using it.
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