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Old 05-08-2006, 05:45 PM   #16
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just looked up the answer to my above post...max retail (with aftermarket tuning) $46. So either is being posted as a bogus markup, or the price will have to be adjusted to meet roar requirements.
The one with bushings is 45.99 so it meets Roar rules. The other one is 59.99 with bearings and will not be roar legal reguardless.

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so i was right?
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Old 05-08-2006, 06:23 PM   #18
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Guys please remeber that US as racers only account for 12% or so of the industry.
The bearing version would be great for bashers.

My only question is if the X version is 24 degree's LOCKED or not.
I havent seen it said anywhere nor a good picture.

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The X is locked at 24 degrees
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Guys please remeber that US as racers only account for 12% or so of the industry.
The bearing version would be great for bashers.

My only question is if the X version is 24 degree's LOCKED or not.
I havent seen it said anywhere nor a good picture.

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The X is designed to meet ROAR/ARCOR specs -The intention is for it to be a legal motor with 24 degree timing. I believe it is already being submitted to ROAR.

Totally agree with you on the XX - there are lots of applications for a nice strong stock motor aside from spec racing. Need to keep an eye out for it at the races though....
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Old 05-09-2006, 02:37 AM   #21
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My opinion is bearings in stock motors are overdue... i'm sick of throwing away half warn arms (half warn if i'm lucky) due to warn armature shafts from using bushings. I only run bushings in my stock motors for sanctioned events here in Australia and quickly swap over to bearings for club days to preserve the motor longetivity and save money...

bushings in stock motors to keep price down in my opinion is false economy.

Good on Trinity for producing a stock motor which comes with bearings, long overdue. Even if it is not ROAR legal.
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Anything new in this motor? anything different? Trinity's site doesn't give much info on what makes this better/different than anything else. Anyone have any details?
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we run a competitive track, and our club rules generally follow those of the national races. this should be fun to police every week.

i don't mind a stock motor with bearings, or ten of them for that matter. but they shouldn't look the same as their legal counterparts.
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we run a competitive track, and our club rules generally follow those of the national races. this should be fun to police every week.

i don't mind a stock motor with bearings, or ten of them for that matter. but they shouldn't look the same as their legal counterparts.
You run bearings anyway, that is why you are so fast.

Oh no that's right, you just run with no tag on the arm.

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The accessablity of the xx is a very sad story. Thanks to trinity, cheater motors are available to everyone. Because they don't check the motors a the club races, the xx will force me to purchase one or I it probably move me up to 19 turn before I am ready. I'd rather spend that money on a good 19 turn, which by the way comes with ball bearings. I hate stock racing, that is alleged stock racing.
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Honestly.... if your bushings are polished and broken in.... I dont think most people will be able to feel the difference between a bearing and a bushing on the track. Yea... bearings do have a lot less friction but be realistic. I remember when Reedy had the chrome can 19T's (pre quad mag), and they offered then with bushings or bearings. I did a back to back test with the same arm and there wasnt really any difference on the track. Bearings are just nice because you dont have to spend the time polishing or reaming out the bushings.

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Honestly.... if your bushings are polished and broken in.... I dont think most people will be able to feel the difference between a bearing and a bushing on the track. Yea... bearings do have a lot less friction but be realistic. I remember when Reedy had the chrome can 19T's (pre quad mag), and they offered then with bushings or bearings. I did a back to back test with the same arm and there wasnt really any difference on the track. Bearings are just nice because you dont have to spend the time polishing or reaming out the bushings.
I agree. I've taken bearings and put them in my stock motors and ran them through my motormaster, and they do get a little more RPM with bearings in but it is only in the neighborhood of 500-1000RPM. Hard to notice that on the track. However I've got some bashing motors that I leave bearings in for maintenance reasons, and they actually don't go through brushes nearly as fast as they did with bushings. Probably because of the less power required to spin up the arm, maybe ... it's all anecdotal at this point.

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My opinion is bearings in stock motors are overdue...
Totally .. The whole idea for bushings is to keep cost down .. bearings are not expensive. I've bought motors with real tight bushings before that required work to make them okay, new drivers don't always understand that. Make it less work, put bearings in everything.

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I hate stock racing, that is alleged stock racing.
I thought the same thing until I started to really understand motor tuning, now I'm kind of hooked on stock racing for the very reason I used to hate it.
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sigh* nagatahawk hit it on the head... this XX will basically force club racers into buying these to keep up... whats next? is it now ok to hodge podge your own stock motor as long as its a 27T arm?

as for the bushings versus bearings argument for cost... go ANYWHERE and try to buy a ball bearing for the price of a bushing... unless there is an unbelievable sale on the bearings the bushings will be substantially cheaper everytime. period.
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EA-you know how us Gaters love that Epic motor!! YOu know well be buyin-em up here!!

Let me know as soon as youve got a case ready to buy.

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