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Old 04-14-2006, 07:53 PM   #16
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get a tamiya trf 415 msx refine 2. you will forget about all the rest. the car is amazing. if you prefer shaft drive. get the factory team tc4. ive been running touring for a long time and the 415 is the best car i have ever owned. it builds flawlessly and parts are cheaper than the t2. t2 is better on carpet than asphalt. you wont be dissapointed. just my opinion.
Yes Tamiya 415msx is a nice but you can't get a front ball diff like other make car can yes Xray isn't cheap but they are build strengh
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Well, to fill everyone in I'm actually coming from a pretty heavy year of off-road (RC10B4, BJ4x4). Just got tired of off-road and want to shake it up with on-road. My racing buddies are all running TC3's and TC4's, but part of me just wants to be different.

I just can't decide which dress to wear, dammit!
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Old 04-14-2006, 08:03 PM   #18
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Well, to fill everyone in I'm actually coming from a pretty heavy year of off-road (RC10B4, BJ4x4). Just got tired of off-road and want to shake it up with on-road. My racing buddies are all running TC3's and TC4's, but part of me just wants to be different.

I just can't decide which dress to wear, dammit!
if you like the Associated product get the TC4.....Yokomo Bd,T2,Corally,Hotbodies,Tamiya 415mxs they're all good car
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I was a huge Associated fan until I got a TC4. Get the T2.
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I was a huge Associated fan until I got a TC4. Get the T2.
What happened? What soured your feelings on the TC4?
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What happened? What soured your feelings on the TC4?
I had TC4 once and never again.....The best way to do it test drive your buddy TC4 and tried the T2 or RDX 415msx ,beleive me those car carry more corner speed
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If you want to buy a cyclone I have a preaty new one for sale.


Let me know.
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Old 04-14-2006, 08:24 PM   #23
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If you want to buy a cyclone I have a preaty new one for sale.


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you must have the Tamiya 415MSX J/K with ya
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Old 04-14-2006, 08:25 PM   #24
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Out of all the three you are thinking about, the T2 is by far the best. I have had an FK04, FK05, T2, and now i am running an RDX.

Since parts availability is not a problem - and you seem you want a good car, the T2 is your best choice out of the 3 - the only problem i had with the T2 was tweaking - i even had the pickles top deck, and i could tweek that car so easy - i literally had to check it after every run - from what i have been told, if you counter sink your top deck, you should be ok.

as was already stated, you might want to think about the RDX - you get a lot more "bling" out of the box - meaning, you get aluminum front and rear c-hubs, battery strap, and basically out of the box - you are ready to roll (except maybe a new kydex bumper and body posts)

the T2, i would recommend aluminum c-hubs and steering blocks, battery strap, p-dub bumper, and an after market top deck

the T2 and RDX are very similar in ease of set up, durability, and easy driving.

one thing you can't put a price on is local setup help - i know the majority here locally run Xray, so if you have a problem, or need some help, you have a wealth of knowledge around you, whereas if you are the odd man out - you release yourself to the rctech community's mercy of help - which i have found to be very helpful.

good luck with your purchase

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yokomo yokomo yokomo, lcg the best shaft drive out there. BD the best tc i have ran. also you can now get the masami edition

the best xray i have found to date was beleive it or not the T1R.
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Well, I see your from Ohio so I am guessing you will be racing on carpet. Carpet is usually not as open as say an asphalt track so you will want a more durable car. Neither your pro 4 or tc4 will handle the boards as well as the t2. That is the only reason I stay with the xray car. If I had a second choice out of the three you have to choose from I would take the tc4. It can be a very good car and replacement parts are cheap. Pro 4 would be at the bottom.
I dont think that I can talk you out of going with the xray. Ease of maintenance, durability, longevity of parts, and adjustability are all second to none.
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DON'T buy one!!!!!!
you sound just like my wife, and I race just to get away from her. Dont need someone to remind me of that when I'm trying to have a good time.
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As far as local support...the TC4 is best (as I've told you in IM as well). The RDX is second actually I'm pretty sure.

Many people hated the TC4 when it first came out. Myself and another guy liked them. Then I went to the RDX and I LOVED that car. Now that I'm back to on-road I've got a FT TC4 and it's the best shaft kit I've built to date. If it gives me any fits, I'll be back to an RDX without any questions.

But as far as support in the Columbus area...TC4 or RDX.
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What happened? What soured your feelings on the TC4?
The TC3 was a great car, but it was designed in 1998. I think a little more is required than an update to compete with todays cars. The rest of the world has evolved, Associated hasn't.

My specific issues were trying to get the TC4 to turn in and rotate. Same problem running the car on both asphalt and carpet. After days of testing on both, I could get the steering response and rotation that I liked, but at the sacrafice of forward bit. It was slower being loose than it was with a slight push. Growing up driving only AE offroad cars, it was very unnatural for me to drive a car like that. It was just uncomfortable.

The thing the newer cars do well is to have the balance of steering and forward bite.

I didnt realize how horrible the build quality of the TC4 is until I built some of the newer cars. I was used to the old days of offroad where you had to do quite a bit of fitting to get the cars right (you build an Associated with a dremel and a Losi with a bag of shims ). My Shumacher was very pleasant to work with and my T2 is an absolute dream.
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