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Old 01-17-2023, 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by alexb2000
Are you able to skim the sjt rubber tires with a standard truer or do you need the specific one made by sjt? Follow up question, does anyone know of an online store that has the tires in stock at the moment? I'd previously ordered them from eamotorsports but they're out of stock.

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I'm likely to get flamed for this, but truing the SJT rubber is not in the spirit of the class. Buy 'em, sauce 'em, run 'em, I says.
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Old 01-17-2023, 07:34 PM
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But that was the big selling point of those tires when they first came out.
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Originally Posted by alexb2000
Are you able to skim the sjt rubber tires with a standard truer or do you need the specific one made by sjt? Follow up question, does anyone know of an online store that has the tires in stock at the moment? I'd previously ordered them from eamotorsports but they're out of stock.

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We just sauce em and run em. No trueing involved. They already have crazy amounts of grip.
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I hear you, I've gotten quite a few race days on them and would simply like to even them out.
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Originally Posted by alexb2000
I hear you, I've gotten quite a few race days on them and would simply like to even them out.
Some guys at our club track (small tight black carpet) with agressive camber had some mild coning that they leveled off with the regular foam tire truing bit - they just skimmed the surface and there was no adverse effects. Looked a little rough where the high parts were but it evened out as soon as they came off a couple runs.
The dremel sanding drum bit definitely provides a nicer finish, buts its not absolutely necessary.
Keep in mind that the above mentioned coning can largely be prevented by properly setting camber to compensate.
I'm still using the sets I bought last year! I have 2 that I constantly rotate between race days - I've NEVER had foam sets last this long.

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What happened a little over a year ago was guys at big races when the bite got high, started skimming the tires and gained speed. I found that you really don't need to do that on the truer (unless you are evening out the wear or out of round). Just take a Dremel with the nylon brush and at a high angle scrub the tire still on the car. Remove the pinion for the rear. You will see the tire lighten in color with just a light scrub. This will free up the car in the high bite conditions. My secret is no more. Lol
I let everyone know my trick because truing is being done. It is against my feelings about the use of the tires but the truing for speed is being done. That is why you see the new "one set" rule at the majors. Can't regulate it easily.

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Old 01-18-2023, 05:06 AM
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I don't true mine, but I will (100% by hand with a gravity tire file) scuff the tires when they start looking smooth and shiny.
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Originally Posted by old_dude
Not exactly. If amp draw is the same (in a wind and brand) there is a very good chance that the lower Kv motor is better. It is a pretty good indication of a motor with more torque. That is what I have found in testing. If you check the on track RPM curves you will find that you work a electric motor in it's torque band. Very few actually come close to peak RPM and actually your average RPM will be close to 50% of peak. That 50% of peak RPM is very close to peak power by the way. In blinky the motor develops peak torque at 0 rpm and it falls almost linearly to near zero at peak rpm. As you advance the timing the torque generated in the lower rpm range is reduced and that is where your motor is typically at on the track. That is why turbo and boost help as they shift the torque curve dynamically (same as a internal combustion engine by the way).
Kv means something but not as much as you might think. Seeing the torque and power curves vs amp draw is the best information. I literally test a motor at different timing points until I see a change in the torque curve vs amp draw. That you can't see on a motor checker.
So would it be correct to assume the reason we only see 50% of peak rpm on the track is because the motor is at a much higher amp load, versus the rpm we see on a motor tester, which is unloaded?
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So would it be correct to assume the reason we only see 50% of peak rpm on the track is because the motor is at a much higher amp load, versus the rpm we see on a motor tester, which is unloaded?
That is because the motor is under load which causes the amp draw. Accelerating the car is overcoming the inertial load of it. The flywheel dyno simulates that load, Initial amp draws on the dyno for a 17.5 are well over 50 @ 5v. You need a good power supply or a battery for good data.
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Originally Posted by old_dude
That is because the motor is under load which causes the amp draw. Accelerating the car is overcoming the inertial load of it. The flywheel dyno simulates that load, Initial amp draws on the dyno for a 17.5 are well over 50 @ 5v. You need a good power supply or a battery for good data.
That's what I thought but worded much better. Thank you.
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Originally Posted by Sabin
Yup. Open gearing, 21.5 ROAR approved motor.


Not at all. They're at that sweet spot for fun.
Not from what I watched
Rick Vessell and simple like this.
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Old 01-21-2023, 09:44 AM
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Raced this car for 6 weeks. Performance got better with time. Now doing super well against foam tired GT's. Front tires are warn out. Still good rubber on rear. Is that too soon to wear out the front tires?
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Originally Posted by davidl
Raced this car for 6 weeks. Performance got better with time. Now doing super well against foam tired GT's. Front tires are warn out. Still good rubber on rear. Is that too soon to wear out the front tires?
Not really. About three to one fronts to rears.
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havent picked up a transmitter since 05
gt12 looks like a great place to get back in.
spent most of my years with crc cars. any recommendations?
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Originally Posted by yeaimfast
havent picked up a transmitter since 05
gt12 looks like a great place to get back in.
spent most of my years with crc cars. any recommendations?
The current CRC car will work great in GT12
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