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Old 11-04-2020, 04:33 PM
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This is why the "required' 40g is placed at the right front on my 20m that gives it near perfect left to right balance and a 55/45 front to rear bias which is perfect for running on very high traction black carpet track that I race on.
How much weigh the car kit without electronics?


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21M was designed with the motor further back to increase rear traction on asphalt tracks, not a mistake ... it was specifically designed that way. Will it work ?? time will tell.
That can be a fast car. Aside the tweak which makes me nightmares, the rest of the design is very interesting.
The theory is that mid-motor is better for smooth driving, and rear-motor better for stop and go driving.
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Old 11-04-2020, 04:41 PM
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Still hope they will make a mid-motor option, like they already do a rear-motor option for the S64.
At this state, it's not a 21M but a 21R
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Still hope they will make a mid-motor option, like they already do a rear-motor option for the S64.
At this state, it's not a 21M but a 21R
They do, the 20M
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Old 11-04-2020, 07:40 PM
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They do, the 20M
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Old 11-04-2020, 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Tuf View Post
How much weigh the car kit without electronics?
Don't know don't care as long as the balance is correct for the track and meets min weight requirements!



That can be a fast car. Aside the tweak which makes me nightmares, the rest of the design is very interesting.
The theory is that mid-motor is better for smooth driving, and rear-motor better for stop and go driving.
That all depends on your skill level and driving style.
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Old 11-04-2020, 08:42 PM
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That was in a thread on their Facebook page, they were answering to a follower who was asking but they assured parts will be still manufactured.
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Old 11-04-2020, 08:47 PM
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That all depends on your skill level and driving style.
I like rear for fun, but I prefer mid for races and consistency.
Smooth driving is also more effective on my local track, big track with lot of round corners and a top speed parabola.
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Old 11-05-2020, 03:25 AM
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I like rear for fun, but I prefer mid for races and consistency.
Smooth driving is also more effective on my local track, big track with lot of round corners and a top speed parabola.
Who knows if the 64 is popular enough they could make an evo version of it and offer an Alu chassis and ars and such as options? I would even consider it if so 😊
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Old 11-05-2020, 06:43 AM
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The S64 is really good with a few options But the chassis could be to soft if you do carpet. Maybe they will make a carbon chassis and upper deck for it, like they did at time for the XI Sport.
Or wait for the next iteration of their pro kit to see where they are going.

The coming soon Xray T4 2021 could give a more long term tendency if they keep the midship design.
I had the chance to try the mid-pulley T4 2020 and it was astonishing! The car turns super short and smooth by itself.
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Old 11-05-2020, 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Tuf View Post
The S64 is really good with a few options But the chassis could be to soft if you do carpet. Maybe they will make a carbon chassis and upper deck for it, like they did at time for the XI Sport.
Or wait for the next iteration of their pro kit to see where they are going.

The coming soon Xray T4 2021 could give a more long term tendency if they keep the midship design.
I had the chance to try the mid-pulley T4 2020 and it was astonishing! The car turns super short and smooth by itself.
Yea I drove the t4 2020 and it is a very nice chassis BUT $600.00 for a slider....I don't think so, I'll stick with my 20M.
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Yea I drove the t4 2020 and it is a very nice chassis BUT $600.00 for a slider....I don't think so, I'll stick with my 20M.
That's the point, for half the price I would be tempted by the new T4 2021 which is based on the same plateform than the 2020. I saw that just after my previous post.

There was a huge difference between the T4 2020 and your 20M?
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Old 11-10-2020, 01:22 PM
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That's the point, for half the price I would be tempted by the new T4 2021 which is based on the same plateform than the 2020. I saw that just after my previous post.

There was a huge difference between the T4 2020 and your 20M?
Going to pick one of these up with the no carbon chassis option For $202.00 https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001271081389.html and add the Aluminum chassis $63.33 https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001552653270.html?spm=a2g0o.detail.1000013.1.3 69bce74AOrThS&gps-id=pcDetailBottomMoreThisSeller&scm=1007.13339.169 870.0&scm_id=1007.13339.169870.0&scm-url=1007.13339.169870.0&pvid=71c56615-d7e0-484b-9b56-612421586420&_t=gps-idcDetailBottomMoreThisSeller,scm-url:1007.13339.169870.0,pvid:71c56615-d7e0-484b-9b56-612421586420,tpp_buckets:668%230%23131923%2366_668 %23808%233772%23893_668%23888%233325%234_668%23432 8%2319928%23340_668%232846%238107%2361_668%232717% 237560%23261_668%231000022185%231000066058%230_668 %233468%2315613%23403 really like the no C hub setup and all the spring steel parts should work great on black carpet. The carbon chassis should work on asphalt.
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Old 11-14-2020, 09:04 AM
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I don't know this brand, let us know how yours feels
I finally purshased a 2nd S64, I was very hot on the 21M until discovering the motor placement.

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21M was designed with the motor further back to increase rear traction on asphalt tracks, not a mistake ... it was specifically designed that way. Will it work ?? time will tell.
I have the 20M, the S64, and the 21M. I race on a small asphalt track (indoors). The 20M is far superior to the 21M specifically because I cant seem to get rear grip with the 21M. The S64 is very good but I have breakage issues with the all plastic construction. We have broken a few bellcranks, the rear hubs need to be aluminum because we keep pulling the ballstuds out, and plastic shocks dont have the bleeder hole in the caps which makes them much harder to build well. I was really hoping the 21M was a carbon version of the 64, but I didnt research before I bought it. Determined to make it work, but not happy that I bought it. The 20M is a DREAM to drive, like I can go into a trance and just let it drive itself.

I have never driven on any other track so I cannot compare it to outdoor asphalt or any form of carpet. And my cars are USGT rules, USGT motor, blinky, tires, bodies, 1380g weight... all that

I also have the FF21 on the way for a FWD class. Cant wait for that to arrive. I have the schumacher mission and I despise the car. For $225, its a fiberglass and plastic kit with the worst shocks and steering design i have ever seen.

As a reference, I am currently running 8.5s laps with the 20M, fastest I have turned was an 8.3. The 21M I can only get to about 8.9-8.8 range. I will say my friend likes a car that is very loose in the rear and he is able to drive my 21M to a 8.6 lap.
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