73LikesXRAY T4F 20 details and information
04-10-2020, 07:51 AM
#16
The mid-frontie issue was cleared up before the ETS season started, so there have been mid-frontie cars running in it.
I still think its a bit early to say whether either layout is "better". Nothing much to choose between my T4F '19 and Awesomatix cars driven by drivers of similar ability over the winter indoor season. They have different strengths, but laptimes seemed to even out overall.
I still think its a bit early to say whether either layout is "better". Nothing much to choose between my T4F '19 and Awesomatix cars driven by drivers of similar ability over the winter indoor season. They have different strengths, but laptimes seemed to even out overall.
04-10-2020, 08:22 AM
#17
Tech Apprentice
What a disappointment this car is, but what to expect from Xray who have zero ability when it comes to creativity.
And the ETS organisation should be ashamed for allowing this layout in the FWD class.
And the ETS organisation should be ashamed for allowing this layout in the FWD class.
04-10-2020, 03:46 PM
#19
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I am...conflicted. Personal preference is very much for the true FF layout, and I believe thats what should have been mandated.
However, I'm a Automotive designer myself, and from a practical point of view I can see why the companies love this Mid/Front layout, much, much cheaper to do.
However, I'm a Automotive designer myself, and from a practical point of view I can see why the companies love this Mid/Front layout, much, much cheaper to do.
04-10-2020, 04:54 PM
#20
My money is on the FF layout going extinct five years from now in anything above club racing. It's funny though, I've always disliked FFs but now I am starting to feel a bit nostalgic about them already. Go figure 
. Those Mid FWDs do look a bit bland in comparsion. Back to the XRay; does anyone else feel like they got lazy with the steering? AMX and Rebellion came up with bespoke steering systems to move everything a good 5mm forward compared to regular double bellcranks. Oh well. All this Slovakian brass is not going to sell itself is it! Car looks great in any case.
. Those Mid FWDs do look a bit bland in comparsion. Back to the XRay; does anyone else feel like they got lazy with the steering? AMX and Rebellion came up with bespoke steering systems to move everything a good 5mm forward compared to regular double bellcranks. Oh well. All this Slovakian brass is not going to sell itself is it! Car looks great in any case.
04-10-2020, 06:10 PM
#21
My money is on the FF layout going extinct five years from now in anything above club racing. It's funny though, I've always disliked FFs but now I am starting to feel a bit nostalgic about them already. Go figure . Those Mid FWDs do look a bit bland in comparsion. Back to the XRay; does anyone else feel like they got lazy with the steering? AMX and Rebellion came up with bespoke steering systems to move everything a good 5mm forward compared to regular double bellcranks. Oh well. All this Slovakian brass is not going to sell itself is it! Car looks great in any case.
. Those Mid FWDs do look a bit bland in comparsion. Back to the XRay; does anyone else feel like they got lazy with the steering? AMX and Rebellion came up with bespoke steering systems to move everything a good 5mm forward compared to regular double bellcranks. Oh well. All this Slovakian brass is not going to sell itself is it! Car looks great in any case.
04-12-2020, 12:56 AM
#22
Looks good. It's the first FWD that actually has gotten me interested in the class. Sure, it looks like a mash-up of a T4 20 and an AMX FWD, but I don't think that is a bad thing.
05-04-2020, 05:59 PM
#25
Hmm,this car... so you could literally buy a diff (or spool), 2 driveshafts, a 2nd belt and have a "front side" mid motor 4WD chassis with a very compact electrics layout. Pretty interesting... and I guess the middle layshaft with 2 pulleys instead of 1.
05-05-2020, 06:40 AM
#26
I think many of us have underestimated this design. I was initially very unimpressed like many others with this release but a friend of mine reminded me how frustrating it is to get a traditional FWD to freaking turn in without losing so much speed. We are always concerned with forward bite so we can accelerate but what we really need is to not be off throttle so that we don't have so much accelerating to do. I was convinced that the AMX and new Serpent are the best designs but I can no longer dismiss this new Xray but if does turn out to be slow (when has an Xray TC ever been slow), you can flip it to 4WD pretty easily and save your investment. This is a tougher choice for me now - 3 horse race I think.
05-09-2020, 06:05 AM
#27
Tech Adept
Chance of an out Doors championship in uk
Just to let the U.K. members that might not know there are a few southern clubs planning a championship called KING OF CLUBS . so if you were ready for brca clubmans this might interest you
https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/king-...n-102680648584
https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/king-...n-102680648584
05-30-2020, 08:29 AM
#28
I'm really curious what the F/R weight distribution is on this chassis. The Awesomatix and Serpent appear to have much more mass closer to the front end plus the ability to add huge chunks of metal in the front bumper. The Xray only comes with a 30g front weight and no provision for more additional mass other than brass suspension mounts... but I'm not saying this is bad. I'm thinking that ideal FWD weight distribution should maybe be more evenly balanced than the typical 65/35.
05-30-2020, 12:27 PM
#29
The '21 is about 60/40 front/rear.
05-31-2020, 08:13 AM
#30
Okay, I'm super pumped about this car. It's my dream USGT chassis since it appears that you can easily run it in both FWD and 4WD mode. I've waited a long time for my 2nd FF chassis and it was a really tough decision with the AMX and Serpent looking so good. She's ordered.