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Old 12-05-2019, 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by moparSRT View Post
New cam housing to fix the belt tension issues will be available in a few weeks

SAK-A564 Aluminium Differential Bearing Housing 20M

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Ah so they finally got the samples back. I will pick up a few and I hope they make aluminum ones for the rear diff as well. Make sure to not over tighten the little screws in these as they will break (Don't ask how I know, I felt stupid when I did it)
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By looking at the battery pole mounting position, is there a position for a shorty pack?
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Originally Posted by over gear View Post
with all those cut outs... where do you put double sided tapes for the receiver and esc?
No problem with good tape (3M VHB)

There are holes for shorty, very simillar to my design. But for midmotor probably it would be better to try more middle postion.



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Any idea on an ETS for the US spec kit?
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Originally Posted by theproffesor View Post
Any idea on an ETS for the US spec kit?
What do you mean a US Spec?
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did you bother to even go one page back in this thread?
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Originally Posted by theproffesor View Post
did you bother to even go one page back in this thread?
I read it the first time. Show me a company out there that makes a US Spec now of days? Racing is racing and onroad only ever had a foam and rubber spec. With foam tires near dead, all chassis sold are for medium bite with the option to go high bite with an aluminum chassis.

The company that was saying that is basically trying to make a buck with a type of chassis configuration that is for high bite ozite which is not that common in the US. Knowing who the company is, you would more than likely never even buy from them once you know who the company is.
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I read it the first time. Show me a company out there that makes a US Spec now of days? Racing is racing and onroad only ever had a foam and rubber spec. With foam tires near dead, all chassis sold are for medium bite with the option to go high bite with an aluminum chassis.

The company that was saying that is basically trying to make a buck with a type of chassis configuration that is for high bite ozite which is not that common in the US. Knowing who the company is, you would more than likely never even buy from them once you know who the company is.
Umm... Xray offers the X12 (2020) in US Spec....the last Xray T4 2019 was offered in US Spec... even if it is Xray

Either way, it was an honest and valid question by the poster....
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Umm... Xray offers the X12 (2020) in US Spec....the last Xray T4 2019 was offered in US Spec... even if it is Xray

Either way, it was an honest and valid question by the poster....
This might sound aggressive to some but I have a lot of passion about RC and please remember I always make sure to have fun first and foremost. I want to see it grow as it does provide a lot involving math and science which seems to be going further and further away in US teaching.

I look at it like this. The car works well out of the box for low/medium bit asphalt, but people think it needs to be Spec'd to race in the US. Low to Medium bite are what most tracks are in the US. The US Spec T4 was an EA option, not an Xray Option. The x12 is a different story and I don't follow 1/12th scale. The Sakura 20m is a race car at an cost friendly price. They do that by not sponsoring, and using cost effective advertising, saving themselves money that they can give back to us racers on costs of the kits. Its our job to promote it, especially to new comers.

Most of the day in/day out onroad racers know what they need to do to race on the surfaces they race at. Like Danny is already doing, he made an aluminum chassis so that the car will be more efficient on black ozite carpet, hit him up and buy one or wait until 3Racing releases theirs. Not all carpets or high grip asphalts need an aluminum chassis but maybe they need the harder carbon chassis (which 3racing has now). The swaybars are pretty much the general starting combination (1.3/1.2) for every manufacturer on every surface. The springs are more often the first thing changed, but the kit uses the standard setup spring rates that most manufacturers start out with for low/med bite.

3racing has built a great car and are fixing the small flaws, that mass production typically causes, as fast as they can. I know my first runs out with the car in 21.5 TC, I was able to place faster more consistent laps than the rear motor car I ran prior. I did so on older tires which says a lot, as the spec tire we run has a .4/lap drop off after 3 runs.

Now, if we worry about relying on setup sheets for tracks and surfaces, the racer never learns the car and what to do to correct the problems associated with bad setups (remember a bad radio or esc setup could be just as bad as a bad build/setup on a car). I do understand we need base sheets for surfaces. But if the setup sheet someone relied on creates a poor handling car, the new racer can become frustrated and leave a platform thinking it is what is making them not win, regardless the brand. Racing is about learning your platform and making it perform to its best, which means learning what everything does. Something like the Xray setup helper should be made or referenced to more often than not. This is something I recommend to every new racer as it can answer a lot of questions fast for them (and these can be crossed referenced over to other chassis). Having some company build spec kits using country specific description will not make the car better for everyone as it will create an idea of is what is needed. By selling a US spec, some might think that they need the aluminum chassis to run in the US when its not the case at all. Now people are upset with the brand that sold it to them thinking the kit is garbage because they didn't learn what they needed for the car. I would much rather it be referred to as carpet version but then it selling aspect will be low because carpet is more of a winter thing to most racers. My willingness to stand behind someone who does a clinic and teaches how to make the car work would be greater, than to offer another kit which is not right to be called a US spec as its not designed for all US surfaces. You can see the growth this provides to a company when someone supplies information making it easier to understand the chassis like JQRacing or Xray. More people are jumping to these chassis platforms because Joseph and Alex are doing live videos explaining the car and what to do in what conditions.

What 3Racing needs to put focus on is the complaints some racers are having. Which they are doing. There are more complaints about the plastic stiffness that should be addressed first than worry about making a surface specific kit. I am lucky enough to race on tracks with berms so I experience less of the brittleness that many have experienced with the 2018 car. With our hotter temps, the stiffness to me is a good thing as the plastic is less likely to warp and stays more consistent. 3racing keeps their costs low because they do not sponsor drivers. So its on groups like this to help each other and make the chassis perform to its best. I would much rather see a facebook group created as its easier to monitor and post pictures/videos to help each other out like when someone new to the chassis is at the track and needs help while racing.
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Will I agree with your entire post

We believe growing a regional and National team will do exactly what you said It will give the end user a presence at the track to bounce ideas with and get help with the platform they are supporting.

Our focus is to increase the brand notoriety and give racers a good option for a good price.We believe the price point is perfect and we have no intentions of trying to charge more.Race Inc will help with development and growth hoping to give more outlets to purchase parts and cars for this platform.

When we say Us Spec we will focus on giving the consumer a great car for both surfaces,Carpet and Asphalt .

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Originally Posted by WillS View Post
This might sound aggressive to some but I have a lot of passion about RC and please remember I always make sure to have fun first and foremost. I want to see it grow as it does provide a lot involving math and science which seems to be going further and further away in US teaching.

I look at it like this. The car works well out of the box for low/medium bit asphalt, but people think it needs to be Spec'd to race in the US. Low to Medium bite are what most tracks are in the US. The US Spec T4 was an EA option, not an Xray Option. The x12 is a different story and I don't follow 1/12th scale. The Sakura 20m is a race car at an cost friendly price. They do that by not sponsoring, and using cost effective advertising, saving themselves money that they can give back to us racers on costs of the kits. Its our job to promote it, especially to new comers.

Most of the day in/day out onroad racers know what they need to do to race on the surfaces they race at. Like Danny is already doing, he made an aluminum chassis so that the car will be more efficient on black ozite carpet, hit him up and buy one or wait until 3Racing releases theirs. Not all carpets or high grip asphalts need an aluminum chassis but maybe they need the harder carbon chassis (which 3racing has now). The swaybars are pretty much the general starting combination (1.3/1.2) for every manufacturer on every surface. The springs are more often the first thing changed, but the kit uses the standard setup spring rates that most manufacturers start out with for low/med bite.

3racing has built a great car and are fixing the small flaws, that mass production typically causes, as fast as they can. I know my first runs out with the car in 21.5 TC, I was able to place faster more consistent laps than the rear motor car I ran prior. I did so on older tires which says a lot, as the spec tire we run has a .4/lap drop off after 3 runs.

Now, if we worry about relying on setup sheets for tracks and surfaces, the racer never learns the car and what to do to correct the problems associated with bad setups (remember a bad radio or esc setup could be just as bad as a bad build/setup on a car). I do understand we need base sheets for surfaces. But if the setup sheet someone relied on creates a poor handling car, the new racer can become frustrated and leave a platform thinking it is what is making them not win, regardless the brand. Racing is about learning your platform and making it perform to its best, which means learning what everything does. Something like the Xray setup helper should be made or referenced to more often than not. This is something I recommend to every new racer as it can answer a lot of questions fast for them (and these can be crossed referenced over to other chassis). Having some company build spec kits using country specific description will not make the car better for everyone as it will create an idea of is what is needed. By selling a US spec, some might think that they need the aluminum chassis to run in the US when its not the case at all. Now people are upset with the brand that sold it to them thinking the kit is garbage because they didn't learn what they needed for the car. I would much rather it be referred to as carpet version but then it selling aspect will be low because carpet is more of a winter thing to most racers. My willingness to stand behind someone who does a clinic and teaches how to make the car work would be greater, than to offer another kit which is not right to be called a US spec as its not designed for all US surfaces. You can see the growth this provides to a company when someone supplies information making it easier to understand the chassis like JQRacing or Xray. More people are jumping to these chassis platforms because Joseph and Alex are doing live videos explaining the car and what to do in what conditions.

What 3Racing needs to put focus on is the complaints some racers are having. Which they are doing. There are more complaints about the plastic stiffness that should be addressed first than worry about making a surface specific kit. I am lucky enough to race on tracks with berms so I experience less of the brittleness that many have experienced with the 2018 car. With our hotter temps, the stiffness to me is a good thing as the plastic is less likely to warp and stays more consistent. 3racing keeps their costs low because they do not sponsor drivers. So its on groups like this to help each other and make the chassis perform to its best. I would much rather see a facebook group created as its easier to monitor and post pictures/videos to help each other out like when someone new to the chassis is at the track and needs help while racing.
That's a rather lengthy reply to someone who just offered clarification to what they meant by US spec. It's somewhat irrelevant whether the car can work with a carbon chassis. If someone wants an alloy chassis, it's cheaper to buy a car that comes with one than it is to buy a carbon car and purchase an alloy chassis separately.
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Originally Posted by WillS View Post
I read it the first time. Show me a company out there that makes a US Spec now of days? Racing is racing and onroad only ever had a foam and rubber spec. With foam tires near dead, all chassis sold are for medium bite with the option to go high bite with an aluminum chassis.

The company that was saying that is basically trying to make a buck with a type of chassis configuration that is for high bite ozite which is not that common in the US. Knowing who the company is, you would more than likely never even buy from them once you know who the company is.
Roche P12 EVO US Spec
Awesomatix A800x EVO US Spec
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I noticed on the 3racing facebook page that a new pulley can be ordered (SAK-A555), does anyone know what this is(and what the difference is with the normal kit one)?
Hopefully this is the one which makes more spur gears fit, as at this moment only 1 brand is supported and those are very pricey and only supplied by a few resellers in EMEA, compared to others(which I have a lot, but the holes do not fit, or are too wide to fit).

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I noticed on the 3racing facebook page that a new pulley can be ordered (SAK-A555), does anyone know what this is(and what the difference is with the normal kit one)?
Hopefully this is the one which makes more spur gears fit, as at this moment only 1 brand is supported and those are very pricey and only supplied by a few resellers in EMEA, compared to others(which I have a lot, but the holes do not fit, or are too wide to fit).
Is it this one?


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Yes, that is the one. It looks different as the one in the Kit(that one has a plastic midsection). So hopefully it is, as my Spurs are to wide and it does not fit in the motor mount. Other spurs do not fit as the holes are not compatible...
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