3LikesSilver Can Motor Tips/Tricks
12-03-2008, 04:54 PM
#1172
12-04-2008, 10:10 AM
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a good way to break in a motor is give them to some kids that run at your track let them use them for a week clean them out and then run them .or you can spend a lot of time running them in water based rubbing compond an water then water and dish soap then clean water ???????about two days i run trinity monster machine to check rpm and amp draw at 8.99 comes out at 8.48 volts good motors running any where over 30.000 rpm is a good motor i use 540 johnsons and mabuchis have a mabuchi that has nothing don to it other then cleaned in soapy water after a couple of runs and its running 34.000 rpm at 1.25???????amps.a lot of times to it all in the driver and his car set up to we usually have on a regular friday night 20 to 30 minis running
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12-04-2008, 11:00 AM
#1175
a good way to break in a motor is give them to some kids that run at your track let them use them for a week clean them out and then run them .or you can spend a lot of time running them in water based rubbing compond an water then water and dish soap then clean water ???????about two days i run trinity monster machine to check rpm and amp draw at 8.99 comes out at 8.48 volts good motors running any where over 30.000 rpm is a good motor i use 540 johnsons and mabuchis have a mabuchi that has nothing don to it other then cleaned in soapy water after a couple of runs and its running 34.000 rpm at 1.25???????amps.a lot of times to it all in the driver and his car set up to we usually have on a regular friday night 20 to 30 minis running
Also, I've never seen a Trinity tester so don't know whether it reads high or low. Perhaps if a friend has a Muchmore or Orion tester, it would be informative to see those #s at those voltages. Again, let me repeat, I am NOT questioning your veracity, but I do have a feeling your Trinity tester is a little off. Trinity is not the machine I would have chosen.
12-04-2008, 02:04 PM
#1177
12-04-2008, 02:41 PM
#1178
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i would say the main purpose of this thread is to inform the rulemakers of just what methods are used to gain an advantage so that sensible and enforceable rules can be put in place. After all spec motor classes are designed to limit costs and performance gains in the hope of levelling the playing field in all forms of motorsport, not just rc.
I think the primary gray area that allows these motors to exist is the "run in" definition. Like, "i ran motor in, in such a way that i advanced the timing". For me sure its a great challenge to push the rules to the limit (and an awesome degree of skill required to do it) although at some point you end up with a bunch of guys running silver can++'s vs. stock silver cans. Supposedly at that point rulemakers step in to "re-level" the playing field before the class suffers.
In the end, as expressed by many before, legal/illegal comes down to you do what you can within the limits of your particular club/organization rules, anything else is just an ethical argument - this happens in ALL forms of spec racing motorsport. If you're not happy about it then become your clubs silver can motor inspector.
It would seem that rules limiting RPM and forward/reverse current draw make the most technical sense in this case but at club level the question remains how enforceable is it? Some clubs have rules that if you win a 540 class championship you are no longer able to enter that class again, forcing people to move up in effect (doesn't work for all classes eg. mini). Some clubs may decide that 3-4 meets a season will be thoroughly teched and season DQ's will be handed out for motor infringments. In the end only a club knows what they can or can't enforce and how far they want to go "in the spirit of racing". In anycase, rulemaking must come from the top as there's no point clubs having one set of rules and national meets having another.
This is one of my favorite threads on RC tech, technical vs rulemakers is always very interesting
Can't wait until this same discussion starts about spec brushless classes, instead of run-in techiques we will be talking speedy firmware versions 
I think the primary gray area that allows these motors to exist is the "run in" definition. Like, "i ran motor in, in such a way that i advanced the timing". For me sure its a great challenge to push the rules to the limit (and an awesome degree of skill required to do it) although at some point you end up with a bunch of guys running silver can++'s vs. stock silver cans. Supposedly at that point rulemakers step in to "re-level" the playing field before the class suffers.
In the end, as expressed by many before, legal/illegal comes down to you do what you can within the limits of your particular club/organization rules, anything else is just an ethical argument - this happens in ALL forms of spec racing motorsport. If you're not happy about it then become your clubs silver can motor inspector.
It would seem that rules limiting RPM and forward/reverse current draw make the most technical sense in this case but at club level the question remains how enforceable is it? Some clubs have rules that if you win a 540 class championship you are no longer able to enter that class again, forcing people to move up in effect (doesn't work for all classes eg. mini). Some clubs may decide that 3-4 meets a season will be thoroughly teched and season DQ's will be handed out for motor infringments. In the end only a club knows what they can or can't enforce and how far they want to go "in the spirit of racing". In anycase, rulemaking must come from the top as there's no point clubs having one set of rules and national meets having another.
This is one of my favorite threads on RC tech, technical vs rulemakers is always very interesting
Can't wait until this same discussion starts about spec brushless classes, instead of run-in techiques we will be talking speedy firmware versions
12-04-2008, 03:20 PM
#1179
If you aren't, my apologies to you and my congratulations to the motor builder
12-04-2008, 08:18 PM
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I slept on Pine Needles once ! 
12-04-2008, 09:37 PM
#1181
kuanseng1981 i sent you a pm ... hope you respond
12-04-2008, 10:55 PM
#1182
Did you smell like a cheap air freshener for about a week after?
I knew this slightly (VERY) crazy homeless guy that used to stuff his clothing and pockets with pine needles, because he figured it helped cover up the smell.
It didn't.
Jim
I knew this slightly (VERY) crazy homeless guy that used to stuff his clothing and pockets with pine needles, because he figured it helped cover up the smell.
It didn't.
Jim
12-05-2008, 05:01 AM
#1183
ADDENDUM to my previous post. If you're the motor builder of the motor in the video, I'd like to remind you of a universal fact. Every time you start thinking you're smartest guy in the world, you will find there are a lot of smart guys. A little humility will serve you much better. What gall.
If you aren't, my apologies to you and my congratulations to the motor builder
If you aren't, my apologies to you and my congratulations to the motor builder
Anyway tuning a motor is not about being smart, it is about being researching how to improve the motor performance. I also dun think that the builder is thinking "I'M the smartest guy in the world" when he is tuning the motor.
Anyway i have meet a thailand Motor Guru at a Asia Event a few years back, he have also told me that if u think your motor is fast, mine will be faster. That sentance is than the type of ppl whom u have mentioned.
Anyway sorry for my bad english. Hope this will not be become another
war.
12-05-2008, 08:07 AM
#1185
eat your heart out guys. Too bad. So Sorry.I am not a hot shot motor builder cause I know a number of better ones and there probably a lot more that I don't know about. But, I will tell you this, that video and that guys comments irritated me then and irritate me still.
Out of curiosity though, why did you post that video???? It was a little off topic.
Don't do wars, but like a healthy debate
