R/C Tech Forums

Go Back   R/C Tech Forums > General Forums > Electric On-Road

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 04-25-2008, 10:54 PM   #991
Tech Elite
 
wallstreet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 3,904
Trader Rating: 20 (92%+)
Send a message via AIM to wallstreet
Default

what is the red dot motor and is it going to be faster than the motors the trackside guys have LOL
wallstreet is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2008, 07:00 AM   #992
Tech Elite
 
rccardr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: The Secret Underground Laboratory
Posts: 2,353
Trader Rating: 8 (100%+)
Default

Wallstreet, if you don't mind I'm going to paraphrase a previous post because it's still relevant.

Red Dot motors are new 540J's that I tune for racing applications. I've been racing R/C for 2 decades (including ten times to the Trackside TCS events) and figured out some of the secrets of these silver cans years ago. For several years I just tuned motors for myself and friends, and sold a few to racers against whom I wasn't going to be competing. We won a lot of races. But now I'm older, my reaction times and vision are fading, and frankly even the fastest motor isn't going to help me out a whole lot.

So I decided last year that it would be entertaining to spread the power around to some discriminating racers who appreciate how difficult it is to make these little demons fast (really fast), know how to maintain them, and are willing to make the investment to win a few races.
I went out and bought a bunch of specialized equipment and a couple cases of motors (most of which got ruined and were trashed) and went to work.

Each motor is engraved with a unique number (so I can keep track of it while it's going through the tuning process and the buyer can tell it apart from his other motors) and has a red dot painted on the positive side of the can so you know where to solder the positive lead. Hence the name.

Yes, my motors are as fast - or faster- as anything you'll see at Trackside. You might even be surprised if you ask around how many are already using my motors up there. But you were at the TCS and saw Marty's dominance in F103GT and Steve Kalk's amazing drives in GT3- those were both Red Dot Powered cars.

Interested folks find it easier to reach me at [email protected], even if they just want to chat about stuff like this or run their ideas past me. Feel free.
__________________
I've never lost.
I've just been a little bit behind when time ran out...

RED DOT MOTORS- Fastest Titan 12T and silver can 540 motors in the known galaxy!
rccardr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-28-2008, 02:00 PM   #993
Tech Fanatic
 
SirSwiftAlot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: SOCAL the fastest mini cooper guys in the nation
Posts: 862
Trader Rating: 11 (100%+)
Default

I heard that Doc was coming out with a limited edition of the dual red dot and the tri dot motors its supposed to be way faster than the single red dot motors. I guess word is that they won't be available untill around June 9,th or something like that.
__________________
Why do people park in a driveway but then drive in a parkway?
SirSwiftAlot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-01-2008, 10:56 AM   #994
Tech Elite
 
rccardr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: The Secret Underground Laboratory
Posts: 2,353
Trader Rating: 8 (100%+)
Default

For everyone that's been contacting me about the availability of 2- or 3-dot motors, these are a figment of Brandon's imagination. No such beast exists.

I'm continually discovering new minor performance improvements, all of which are incorporated as running changes to the production line. That means that when you buy a Red Dot motor, you can be confident that 1) it's been tuned using the very latest in silver can upgrade methodology, and 2) everyone gets an equal opportunity to purchase a motor capable of winning at the very highest level of closed endbell competition.
__________________
I've never lost.
I've just been a little bit behind when time ran out...

RED DOT MOTORS- Fastest Titan 12T and silver can 540 motors in the known galaxy!
rccardr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-12-2008, 07:43 PM   #995
Tech Elite
 
rccardr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: The Secret Underground Laboratory
Posts: 2,353
Trader Rating: 8 (100%+)
Default

For anyone who's interested, the latest batch of Red Dot motors is done and ready to ship. If you're running at the Union City TCS race and need a fast silver can for your mini, GT3 or F103GT, give me a shout. We had Red Dots in every A Main at Memphis including TQ in Mini and a win in F103GT (OK, maybe that one's not such a big deal ), as well as a bunch in the B's.

This batch includes a couple of motors that fit the Canadian rules for amp draw at 2 volts (one of my Canadian customers placed on the podium at last week's TCS regional, so these work well for the Canadian TCS series)

Best way to reach me is through e-mail at [email protected]
__________________
I've never lost.
I've just been a little bit behind when time ran out...

RED DOT MOTORS- Fastest Titan 12T and silver can 540 motors in the known galaxy!
rccardr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2008, 08:53 AM   #996
Tech Master
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Outside of Crook County Illinois
Posts: 1,949
Trader Rating: 2 (100%+)
Send a message via AIM to A-Ko
Default

Looks like everybody is running red-dothead motors (except myself) no more reason to come here and talk about johnson/mabuchi motors...
__________________
Jeffrey
teamgravityrc.com - motivrc.com
USVTA National Points Member #101
A-Ko is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2008, 10:42 AM   #997
Tech Elite
 
rccardr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: The Secret Underground Laboratory
Posts: 2,353
Trader Rating: 8 (100%+)
Default

I don't know about that. My e-mail box is full of messages every day from people who want to talk about ways to make these little buggers faster.

But I'd also like to see this thread pick up again in popularity. There are LOTS of talented folks out there tuning their own motors (like you, Jeff)- let's hear from you!
__________________
I've never lost.
I've just been a little bit behind when time ran out...

RED DOT MOTORS- Fastest Titan 12T and silver can 540 motors in the known galaxy!
rccardr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2008, 12:50 PM   #998
Tech Elite
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 2,367
Default

Found a neat little motor fan by 3Racing that is a simple one screw installation. They are for Minis and can be installed in about 10 min. including soldering the leads. I think they are essential especially for the "hotter" motors like the Red Dots and for Black cans. Simply put, cooler motors run better and last longer or Heat kills.

Jeff at Speedtech rc and Tomie at Fusion Hobbies stock them. I bought the last ones Jeff had, but he told me he'd have some more shortly. Also Associated makes a fan that will bolt right on the 3Racing bracket. I'm told that the Associated fan is better so plan on making the switch myself later.

For those of you that haven't tried a Red Dot motor, be prepared to be spanked by one. I'm still trying to "tune" my own, but have a couple of Red Dots in my arsenal. Doc, nice guy that he is, has helped me in my tuning experiments.
Granpa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-19-2008, 09:46 PM   #999
Tech Apprentice
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 54
Default

if these motors are sealed....what do u do when the brushes go bad? throw it out and get a new one?
seloiv is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-19-2008, 09:58 PM   #1000
Tech Elite
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 2,367
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by seloiv View Post
if these motors are sealed....what do u do when the brushes go bad? throw it out and get a new one?
yes
Granpa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-19-2008, 10:05 PM   #1001
Tech Master
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Outside of Crook County Illinois
Posts: 1,949
Trader Rating: 2 (100%+)
Send a message via AIM to A-Ko
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by seloiv View Post
if these motors are sealed....what do u do when the brushes go bad? throw it out and get a new one?
It is sad, but true.....
__________________
Jeffrey
teamgravityrc.com - motivrc.com
USVTA National Points Member #101
A-Ko is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-23-2008, 04:57 PM   #1002
Tech Elite
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 2,367
Default

Word of warning to anyone doing a water dip break in on the newest generation of the 540Js #53689. The brushes are very soft and break in very quickly. I'd suggest 10 sec. at a time and changing the water each time. It only takes 30 to 40 sec. If you don't change the water, the amp draw goes way up and the motor doesn't run worth a darn. Have my theories, but can't say with any certainty. Had a motor do this and only salvaged it by a cleaning with an ultrasonic cleaner and Simple Green.
Granpa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-23-2008, 06:31 PM   #1003
Tech Regular
 
Redwings's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Toronto Ontario Canada
Posts: 302
Trader Rating: 4 (100%+)
Default

Too the rccardr

Now I know up here in the great white north that our motors are being teched by the Tamiya Canada Reps to ensure that they don't run over 1.3 amps. How does your motors compare to the TCS rules and is there any evidence that the motor has be tampered with?

Thanks

Paul
Redwings is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-23-2008, 06:45 PM   #1004
Tech Elite
 
rccardr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: The Secret Underground Laboratory
Posts: 2,353
Trader Rating: 8 (100%+)
Default

Paul, we do have Red Dot motors specifically tuned for the Canadian TCS series that are unopened, completely legal, and fall within the 1.3 amp/2volt rule. It wasn't easy and I screwed up a LOT of motors in the process .

Right now our Mini/F103GT Red Dots for Canada are turning around 15,000 RPM at 5 volts and pulling around 1.1 amps at 2 volts . That's less than our US-spec motors, but you just can't get more power without drawing more amps at 2 volts than the Canadian rules allow.
__________________
I've never lost.
I've just been a little bit behind when time ran out...

RED DOT MOTORS- Fastest Titan 12T and silver can 540 motors in the known galaxy!
rccardr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-23-2008, 06:49 PM   #1005
Tech Elite
 
rccardr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: The Secret Underground Laboratory
Posts: 2,353
Trader Rating: 8 (100%+)
Default

Very true, Granpa. BTW, did you get my e-mail?

There are actually two 540J cores out there right now. One has very soft brushes- these can be identified by looking at the printing on the side of the can- it's very small- and by the red nylon pip on the endbell at the positive lead. The other has very, very hard brushes- these can be identified by the printing on the side of the can- it's the normal height- and the positive lead pip on the endbell is white. We have not found any performance or longevity advantage of one motor over the other: both can be made very fast & both will croak if you cook 'em.
__________________
I've never lost.
I've just been a little bit behind when time ran out...

RED DOT MOTORS- Fastest Titan 12T and silver can 540 motors in the known galaxy!
rccardr is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
X-ray T2, Tips and Tricks trailranger Electric On-Road 4 05-17-2008 02:44 PM
Silver Can (Mabuchi) Motor Tricks miller1990 Electric On-Road 1 03-06-2007 10:06 PM
Co27 motor tuning tips, hints, or tricks schmidt452 Electric Off-Road 16 11-08-2006 11:04 PM
tips and tricks XXX-NT streetstock Electric Off-Road 2 05-13-2005 10:50 AM
Tips And Tricks rctc3 Electric On-Road 36 03-10-2002 10:54 AM



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -7. It is currently 08:25 PM.


We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.
Powered By: vBulletin v3.9.2.1
Privacy Policy | Terms of Use | Advertise Content © 2001-2011 RCTech.net