thecaptain

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the split deck may be faster in a handful of scenarios with extremely low grip, in general any of the "traditional" top deck designs will be faster on the clock.

tbrymer

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I would agree if you kept all other things identical, however the new A800 mid motor car is very stiff, much more than any car I've felt (stock carbon chassis and top decks) including the Gizmo. It could have something to do with the motor mount they designed, not sure.

Marcos.J

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when i ran the vertical top deck the traction was low and it helped once the traction started to come up i swapped to the standard top deck.

thecaptain

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The amx car generates grip via the suspension design. Our car generates grip via a more traditoonal manner, which helps the durability of the car.

ntm

Helps durability how ?

tbrymer

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Christian, hopefully you will see this question

thecaptain

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In terms of design, our car doesnt really break. As ive said before only really need 3 spare parts. Because of the way its designed the beefyness and how things are put together.

YBSLOW

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Tyler, I will ask him

CristianTabush

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Sorry, been caught up with the holidays.

What do you mean by "Split" ? Like a VTD?

Honestly, I abandoned the VTD a while back. They work well, but offered no real advantage over the std decks. It's heavier up high, harder to work on and more expensive to produce. Like Zac said, in low bite, it can be good, but those are situations that are very rare. Will I play with it again? Probably. However I am on the Asymmetric deck kick right now. Too Many benefits and very simple solution.

tbrymer

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Sorry I guess I should have been more specific. What I meant was dual top deck, but not vertical. Similar to the new awesomatix car.

CristianTabush

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No plans immediately. There is too much compromise with that big motor mount with our current platform, including drive train layout. I’d like to keep the spur in the center of the car.

I am brainstorming some solutions, but this is something maybe 1-2 generations down.

ntm

I’m not trying to be antagonistic at all, but I suspect that perception of “beefyness”, and the associated perception of amx cars as fragile, is just that, only perception.
The reality at my local track is that there are more gizmo failures than amx failures. Particularly the po3’s, due to the way they’re employed in the gizmo design.


In regards to the larger motor mount and “split” top deck on the new mmx, I’m not sure it’s ideal on all surfaces.
I’ve found it difficult to get enough flex to tame the very aggressive front end, as have most if you look at the recent setup sheets for mmx cars. They’re all hacking the front deck as much as possible to get more flex.
My mmcx cars are easier to make work in lower traction, and more neutral in terms of general handling characteristics.
So the two piece top deck/long motor mount isn’t all roses, it’s aimed squarely at high traction black carpet.

CristianTabush

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Durability with P03s on our car is related to 1. The mechanic. 2. not using a hard front bumper.

The P03s should not fail if they are kept fresh. My philosophy is if they pop out once, they get tossed. Of course there are situations that are inevitable, but the failure rate is far lower than when we used P04s and Awesomatix hubs. This is where Zac’s observations come from.

lorider75

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When I shred a p03 it’s because I’ve done something wrong. If you hit shit, you will wreck shit. I’ve broken ballstuds and had the p03 remain intact. I’ve also had p03’s that were cracked outta the package.

thecaptain

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Well in terms of failures I typically don't have them. I tap some boards and hit some bigger ones... Haha but mostly just pop something off if I slam into something. I pop it back on and finish practicing, obviously if that happens in a race in SOL, but that goes with any car.

Typically dont break the hats, clips, or ballstuds, but it happens. I replace the ones that pop off after the 3rd time, but that's just me. Its best to replace them more often than not.

As for the amx I have heard(i obviously dont own one), that the arms bend and mount things and other things. Thats what im comparing it to, driving styles and specific tracks have a huge impact on what happens to cars. Im not trying to bad mouth the amx car, there can be things said about the gizmo that the amx guys dont like about the gizmo(i assume), I try to enjoy hanging out with everyone at the track regaurdless of what they drive.

If someone comes up to me running brand x I give them a hand, im a bit more comfortable with the Gizmo cars because I run them, but try to help everyone. I wish everyone a happy holiday and safe travel!