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Old 05-05-2006, 08:45 AM   #211
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I'm a newb - I listen to everything! (as long as it's coming from a good source, not some random person on here) PM away!
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Old 05-05-2006, 09:29 AM   #212
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Thanks Marcos
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Old 05-05-2006, 09:56 AM   #213
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here is mine done in torque steps

constant volt 7.0
RPM Torque Watt EF Amps
22767 5.5 104 61 21.6
20541 7.5 116 62 26.0
19284 8.6 129 61 28.2
18179 9.6 137 60 30.7
17118 10.5 140 57 33.4
15547 11.5 144 53 35.6

its how you set up the torque steps , you can change the torque values and it will show a higher #,I usually use the amps steps for stock and the torque steps for 19t
Torque steps will allow you to compare one motor to another motor more accuratly. As torque is a constant and is measured off of the sensor on the dyno. Amp draw is not constant and varies drasticly from motor to motor.

Using torque steps to compare motor to motor (Monster to C027 to Roar Epic) will allow you to easily figure you gear ratio once you have the gear figured for a paticular motor.

Your motor looks good though!!

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Old 05-05-2006, 09:57 AM   #214
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Thanks for the explanation EA!
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Old 05-06-2006, 07:08 AM   #215
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Default CO27 Robi Dyno runs.

Here are Some of the C027's I was able to test lately and compare.

CO27 JG 01.jpg < one of the best CO27 I ran on the Dyno
CO27 vs P2K2.jpg < CO27 vs my best P2K2 (3years old P2K2)
CO27 vs MHP.jpg < CO27 vs MonsterHP
CO27 VL 01.jpg < Brand new CO27, Very disapointed with performance, Needs some work before being considered track worthy.

I cant wait to Dyno the new Epic X Stock Pro.

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Old 05-06-2006, 09:27 AM   #216
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yeah....that puny CO27 is mine. I puchased this from the LHS.

Team Brood products let me down on this one. I purchased a Monster from them. I asked for some simple spring advise on the forum for the question to be ignored. I then, forced by time crunch, had to buy a CO27 before a big race. I wanted Axiom, but couldn't wait. Bought a Team Brood. The results are shown above OUT OF THE PACKAGE.....115Watts ....nothing to write home about.

My luck with Team Brood products just isn't there. I'll try and get more out of it - but I thought thats what I paid for, pro version = tuned. Well, not with this motor
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Brood not helping with advise? That doesn't seem right on it's face. I see him all over this site offering advise. Did you pick up the phone and ask Br00d if you were in such a hurry?

Also if you wanted advise from a specific business you should at least go to the business web site. Rctech is a great site but it's not Broods site.

What dyno did you use?
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yeah....that puny CO27 is mine. I puchased this from the LHS.

Team Brood products let me down on this one. I purchased a Monster from them. I asked for some simple spring advise on the forum for the question to be ignored. I then, forced by time crunch, had to buy a CO27 before a big race. I wanted Axiom, but couldn't wait. Bought a Team Brood. The results are shown above OUT OF THE PACKAGE.....115Watts ....nothing to write home about.

My luck with Team Brood products just isn't there. I'll try and get more out of it - but I thought thats what I paid for, pro version = tuned. Well, not with this motor
5 watts less, but it has major RPM.
Just rebuild the motor with some F brushes, if it doesn't have them in it.
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Charles,

I searched the Brood's Website and RCtech with no answer to my question. I then posted on Brood's company forum here at RC tech and waited 1 week+ with no response.

The dyno was a Robitronics, not mine as I definatly cannot afford one of those at this time (but I still want one!!).
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Pit Crew,

Thanks for the tip, this what I actually had planned to due as a Axiom team driver has lent me a stock CO27 for the last heat and main, and this seemed the most obvious difference, along with advice to run green/green for spring combination (answer to my unanswered question).

The class is TC, Foam, 3lb limit, stock, 4-Cell ti explain the green/green.
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Old 05-08-2006, 09:19 AM   #221
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I ran a team brood c027 in 4 cell oval at Hot rods this week end. I used an rebuilt (by me, big problem here. lol) broodl c027, and although on my aps motor dyno it was not pulling hi amps I was still qualified 3rd . and was going to use a fresh Brood co27 in the main but broke on first lap. May be you should run the motor and gear the motor to the track before you consider it not up to par.

I have run team brood this season and am impressed. I you dont' want your team brood motor pm me.
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I'm just writing my experiences....My LHS says Brood is good, most people at the track like Brood products. The monster I have runs good.

I'm disapointed with the question being ignored, and the motor out of the package. I realise that the dyno is not the track, this is why I ran 2 heats with it. It felt soft to me, I had the opportunity to get another CO27 in the car, and it ripped out of the corners with the same gearing.

No one is perfect, Team Brood and myself included. Maybe it was a lemon? Who knows, the fact remains that this particular motor is soft.
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Not every motor is going to rip like the next. If a motor is soft... it doesn't matter if you hand it off to GHP, Brood, EA, Marcos, or god himself... its gonna be soft.... it will just be tuned to the best of ITS performance.
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Thats a good point, its what I am starting to realise more and more.
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Caliber X - Even though they are the same can type the gearing can still vary up to 4 teeth difference.

The gearing you tried on Br00ds might have been off and when you tried an Axiom you hit the nail on the head...

Just some thought.
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