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Old 02-17-2006, 01:37 PM   #16
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I am wondering about the same thing also, except mine car is HPI PRO 4. The result doesn't lie, but I am wondering if the multi-flex and the adj. damping shocks features are effective or not on the T2.
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Old 02-17-2006, 03:53 PM   #17
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I have a FT TC4 and it might be the conditions in Australia, but I can't get near a T2.
I will put my backing behind a T2. I am getting one and as a result, it is good bye to Associated after using their products for a little under 10 years.
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Old 02-17-2006, 04:01 PM   #18
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I am a hobby racer also, I would stick with what you have. i made the mistake of getting what I thought was a better car but I like simple. The bottom line, If you really what to get a different car, try someones car who has what your looking at to see if you like it or not. Don't go an buy a car and end up not liking it, you will not get the money back you put into it. I made that mistake. Its not the car its the driver, a $250 car can bet a $500 car.
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Old 02-17-2006, 05:01 PM   #19
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Something else to consider is the durability factor. Far and away the t2 is more durable the the tc4.
More and more people at our local track are making the switch from assoc to xray. They are going faster (more laps) and are not breaking parts like most did before.

A superior car anyway you look at it. Ok maybe a little pricey to start out with.
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Old 02-17-2006, 05:15 PM   #20
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I have the T2 and like it .. its the best out there..

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Old 02-17-2006, 10:44 PM   #21
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Funny about all these people switching to a T2.We have 4 Former X-ray drivers who very recently switched over to the new Corally.Weird eh?Me,I just got another FTTC4 for my daughter to run.Works fine for me.No breakage problems.Just work it till you find your setup and go.It does take more work than the Xrays no doubt,but it is rewarding.My .02.Mario.
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frankly, i think its all politics.i never liked shaft driven cars to tell you,but i have to be fair.i own a 1998 kawada sv-10 alcyon 2 belt saddle pack car.its old,but it can still kick a tc3 ,or any newer cars butt (well at least half of the field). this is what i learned about shaft and belt cars. belt driven cars are inherently easier to drive, and have slightly less steering,and also less twichy. shaft driven cars are more on the edge,they seem to have less rear traction.my honest opinion is that,as long as you keep all 4 inserts and tyres the same,and make sure your shocks are of equal length,and your car is tweaked correctly,AND lastly your front springs 1 step harder than your rears,i think your tc4 can be competitive.no doubt about it.i have never driven a tc3 or tc4,but if someone would give me an old tc3, i would be very happy to try it out.my point is if u have money to throw,then get the xray,they will probably change the design to a newer one by the end of this yearanyway (i hate how manufacturers do that),but if i had little funds and want a car that i can get parts for 5 years down the line,i would stick with the tc4.
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frankly, i think its all politics.i never liked shaft driven cars to tell you,but i have to be fair.i own a 1998 kawada sv-10 alcyon 2 belt saddle pack car.its old,but it can still kick a tc3 ,or any newer cars butt (well at least half of the field). this is what i learned about shaft and belt cars. belt driven cars are inherently easier to drive, and have slightly less steering,and also less twichy. shaft driven cars are more on the edge,they seem to have less rear traction.my honest opinion is that,as long as you keep all 4 inserts and tyres the same,and make sure your shocks are of equal length,and your car is tweaked correctly,AND lastly your front springs 1 step harder than your rears,i think your tc4 can be competitive.no doubt about it.i have never driven a tc3 or tc4,but if someone would give me an old tc3, i would be very happy to try it out.my point is if u have money to throw,then get the xray,they will probably change the design to a newer one by the end of this yearanyway (i hate how manufacturers do that),but if i had little funds and want a car that i can get parts for 5 years down the line,i would stick with the tc4.
I agree.We have 5 drivers al within 100th's of each other on lap times.The one who wins that day is the one who just had the day.Not much between these cars in reality,I think..02 again.Mario.
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One of the major things I (and many others) had found when switching from the TC4 to the FK05 last year was that it was MUCH more forgiving for setup. The T2 takes it a step further..

With the Xrays (and to my understanding many of the other new generation belt cars...I don't know I haven't tried them all) there are many different potential setups that can be made to work.

If your setup is off a little bit, or is a bit different than someone else the car can still be remarkably fast and drievable. (This isn't to say that you can't put a *bad* setup on the car....just that there are a broader range of *good* setups)

I did not experience that same luxury when I was driving my TC4. The TC4 at times *felt* fast, but I just could't get that feeling to translate into laptimes and there was a much tighter window of acceptable setup on the TC4.

If you don't believe it, just go through the TC4 forum and search for posts by Soviet...at one point he was the king of "All cars are equal" and "There's no difference, you just need to spend more time on setup" (I'm paraphrasing here with a touch of creative license to express the general sentiments of his posts in that thread)...And then reference his comments earlier in this thread after he stepped outside of the AE box..

This extra forgiveness is just one of the reasons I'd recommend the T2 over the TC4...Ease of adjustment and ease of maintenance rank highly as well..
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very true cris very true excellent points made!!!!!!!!!!
I did try a bunch of set ups and even had some help from some factory drivers and yes at times the car felt fast and drove well it just did not translate to good lap times and results.
assoc made great cars they in my opinion are just behind when it comes to modern tech in the touring car ranks. I am going to take a wild guess but I wouldnt be surprised to see a belt driven assoc in the not so distant future.
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I agree about the "tighter window of setup" with the Assoc cars.It can be frustrating at times.I kinda like the challenge tho.I enjoy learning and tinkering.I have been driving Assoc vehicles since I started in '91.They do have a vibe of their own,that's for sure.I also realize I could probably be faster with one of the more "forgiving" cars too.I think I would get bored pretty fast tho without the need to stay "on edge".lol.As for Soviet...........lol.Mario
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