20LikesSpool vs. Diff
06-29-2018, 01:56 PM
#31
The best thing to do to a ball diff to lock it up on demand is to use ceramic balls(including the thrust balls) and ofna diff lock lube(#10230) all over the rings/balls with blue loctite gooping the thrust bolt.... You'll have all the different levels of tightness from a diff to a spool by just tightening the thrust bolt down... It works, and it's the cheapest way around this problem....
06-29-2018, 03:41 PM
#32
Doing this on my F1 made it undriveable. Locked the diff down on black carpet and the rear end would chatter (hop) and just spin out. I'm sure there's more tuning needed as another racer has his diff with the pegs installed and runs the quickest lap times at the track. Just not sure why my car would chatter when we're both running the same tires. Gotta mess with it a little more as I know i'm missing something in setup doing locked diff / spool.
06-29-2018, 03:59 PM
#33
In F1 DD cars it might be a challenge to find the setup that works with a locked rear on black carpet, but I run the 3racing Fgx with independent rear suspension....
06-29-2018, 10:22 PM
#34
I feel like this thread has gone the way of the conversation between the local fast guy and that one guy at the track who asks for advice, receives advice he thinks won't work, and does something else.
The fact is, the top guys at birds ran spools. The entire A main at ROAR ran spools. At mhic... spools.
On black carpet they are fast in all 12th classes. Period.
Sure, if your setup is off, they can do weird stuff. But any 12th car with poor setup is a handful.
We ran a race last spring with black carpet laid out in a carpet ballroom. Carpet directly on carpet. It was bumpy and grip changed a lot during the weekend. Guess what, spools.
The basic handling changes: less turn in, more on center rotation, more on power steering, more efficiently putting power down. The main setup change to accommodate a spool is the same you would do to stop "picking" of the inside rear tire. Softer side springs and very light damper tubes.
The fact is, the top guys at birds ran spools. The entire A main at ROAR ran spools. At mhic... spools.
On black carpet they are fast in all 12th classes. Period.
Sure, if your setup is off, they can do weird stuff. But any 12th car with poor setup is a handful.
We ran a race last spring with black carpet laid out in a carpet ballroom. Carpet directly on carpet. It was bumpy and grip changed a lot during the weekend. Guess what, spools.
The basic handling changes: less turn in, more on center rotation, more on power steering, more efficiently putting power down. The main setup change to accommodate a spool is the same you would do to stop "picking" of the inside rear tire. Softer side springs and very light damper tubes.
06-30-2018, 04:51 AM
#35
Yes this thread has gone wrong.
I stated in the beginning that they have a place in a pan car. I will also agree that they are faster in that place.
Here is the kick though, a totally new RC racer doesn't know what that place is and what is more important to them is to establish consistency or actually just get around the track. That is what us more experienced racers need to show them. Not step them off the wall.
I stated in the beginning that they have a place in a pan car. I will also agree that they are faster in that place.
Here is the kick though, a totally new RC racer doesn't know what that place is and what is more important to them is to establish consistency or actually just get around the track. That is what us more experienced racers need to show them. Not step them off the wall.
07-05-2018, 08:13 AM
#37
Doing this on my F1 made it undriveable. Locked the diff down on black carpet and the rear end would chatter (hop) and just spin out. I'm sure there's more tuning needed as another racer has his diff with the pegs installed and runs the quickest lap times at the track. Just not sure why my car would chatter when we're both running the same tires. Gotta mess with it a little more as I know i'm missing something in setup doing locked diff / spool.
07-11-2018, 04:46 AM
#40
"until they now when all of those conditions are right."
How does anyone know that without trying it? Fastest guy is using surely that means the conditions are right?
i tried it once, car felt great till it span every few laps :-D
How does anyone know that without trying it? Fastest guy is using surely that means the conditions are right?
i tried it once, car felt great till it span every few laps :-D
07-11-2018, 10:23 AM
#41
Do the spools work in 17.5 1/12th spec well? I had heard from some people that they were better in the faster classes, and that the slower classes were benefiting from running ball diffs still .i could have easily heard the wrong information though of course.
07-11-2018, 05:33 PM
#43
It's my understanding it's not based on power, but on grip. On a very grippy track (black carpet) you can load the car up in the corners and pick up the inside rear tire so that you can corner with a spool. If both rear tires remain planted then the car will push like a pig.
07-11-2018, 07:36 PM
#44
I have run a spool and diff in my 1/12. I feel the spool is faster and easier to drive when the bite is high. It is very hard to drive with the spool in lower traction. I did find you have to run the car overall softer with a spool. You can not just swap out the diff for a spool. I have a separate center shock built to run with the spool as well as softer front and side springs. So for me, I run ball diff in lower bite and spool in higher bite. I have the X-ray gear diff on order so as soon as it’s available, I am going to try that as well. I think it will be a really good compromise.
Last edited by protc3; 07-11-2018 at 07:47 PM.
07-17-2018, 01:30 PM
#45
That makes sense. Are you finding battery placement changes when switching from the diff to spool as well? What is the difference/benefit to the Xray gear diff compared to a spool?