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CanAm Motor & Transmission Specs
USGT
ORCA------------4.40min FDR Indoors-------------169g

STOCK TC
TEAM POWERS------5.40 min FDR Indoors-----------------173g

SUPER STOCK TC
SCORPION-----6.20 min FDR Indoor--------------------170g

CanAm Stock 1/12th
TEAM SCREAM-------------OPEN-----------------------160g

CanAm Super Stock 1/12th
TEAM SCREAM-----------35T/88T-----------------------160g

CanAm F1
SCORPION-----------------28T/92T-----------------------170g

CanAm WGTR
ORCA---------------------36T/92T-----------------------169g


TC/USGT Likely Spur/Pinion Combinations
USGT
1.7 Internal
96/37 => 4.411 FDR
101/39 => 4.403 FDR

1.80 Internal
93/38 => 4.405 FDR
98/40 => 4.410 FDR

1.85 Internal
100/42 => 4.405 FDR

1.9 Internal
95/41 => 4.402 FDR
102/44 => 4.405 FDR

2.0 Internal
99/45 => 4.400 FDR

STOCK TC INDOOR
1.7 Internal
102/32 => 5.419 FDR
105/33 => 5.409 FDR
108/34 => 5.400 FDR

1.80 Internal
99/33 => 5.400FDR
102/34 => 5
.400 FDR
105/35 => 5
.400 FDR
108/36 => 5
.400 FDR
111/37 => 5
.400 FDR

1.85 Internal
108/37 => 5.400 FDR
111/38 => 5.404 FDR
114/39 => 5.408 FDR

1.9 Internal
108/38 => 5.400 FDR
111/39 => 5.408 FDR

2.0 Internal
92/34 => 5.412 FDR
100/37 => 5.405 FDR
108/40 => 5.400 FDR

SUPER STOCK TC INDOOR
1.7 Internal

106/29 => 6.214 FDR
110/30 => 6.233 FDR

1.80 Internal
100/29 => 6.207 FDR
107/31 => 6.213 FDR
114/33 => 6.218 FDR

1.85 Internal
104/31 => 6.206 FDR
114/34 => 6.203 FDR

1.9 Internal
98/30 => 6.207 FDR
108/33 => 6.218 FDR
111/34 => 6.203 FDR

2.0 Internal
112/36 => 6.222 FDR

NB: Serpent Project 4X was checked and due to the O.D. of the center pulley the internal is not exactly 2.000. Testing revealed it is closer to 2.005. For Serpent Cars ONLY, the drivers who wish to be as close as possible to the Minimum FDR can use the following spur/pinion combinations: SS TC => 99/32; Stock TC => 97/36; USGT => 101/46.

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Do you not worry about the racers running a diff front and rear? Or how would theyre FDR be checked?
Anyone failing a meeter test would have a tooth + pulley disassemble/count

Honestly, this is likely WAY less of a problem than the internet is making it
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Originally Posted by hanulec View Post
Anyone failing a meeter test would have a tooth + pulley disassemble/count

Honestly, this is likely WAY less of a problem than the internet is making it
I was just curious I do not run one front and rear, just popped into my head so I asked. I've only heard of positive things from people who have attended, im looking forward to trying it out this weekend.
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no worries.

ok so you did try with 64 pitch. Thanks for the input. 6.17 still higher than what it should show at 2.0 (6.11). Somehow the other 2.0 cars and 1.9 cars are spot on with the checker. I will do some testing and see what's up with the other combinations. Which car was this testing done with? 4X?
i think this is more of a question for the serpent thread not the canam thread . as to the canam formula is working great for every car but something about the maunfacturing of the serpent car is giving unexpected results ...
so yea cant wait for the canam races !
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Originally Posted by thecaptain View Post
Do you not worry about the racers running a diff front and rear? Or how would theyre FDR be checked?
If youre running a diff in the front then it will have such heavy fluid in it that it will act like a spool when checking with the FDR meter. On a lighter fluid rear diff its possible it could slip some and alter the readings.

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Originally Posted by EAMotorsports View Post
If youre running a diff in the front then it will have such heavy fluid in it that it will act like a spool when checking with the FDR meter. On a lighter fluid rear diff its possible it could slip some and alter the readings.

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Anyone failing a meeter test would have a tooth + pulley disassemble/count

Honestly, this is likely WAY less of a problem than the internet is making it
Agreed... Just trying to figure things out and do it the right way.
If I posted misleading things then I apologize. I did say though that nothing was definitive and that I'd have to do more testing.
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Have 19 Stock TC motors on the way for Soda City RC!
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One question I do have is that what were to happen if someone were to strip out the threads for the motor screws? Yes you can turn it for the other holes, but then the motor tabs will either hit the pod plate on a pan car or if you were turn them the other way now your wires are too short. And with the anti-tampering goo on the endbell screws you can't undo the motor and turn the case to the next set of holes.....
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One question I do have is that what were to happen if someone were to strip out the threads for the motor screws? Yes you can turn it for the other holes, but then the motor tabs will either hit the pod plate on a pan car or if you were turn them the other way now your wires are too short. And with the anti-tampering goo on the endbell screws you can't undo the motor and turn the case to the next set of holes.....
The question must be answered by the race promoter. Motor would have to be checked before and after the reseal on a motorlyzer.

Ultimately no one should strip screws like that. It only happens as people use a small screw with just two threads showing from the bulkhead. You should have 5mm+ going into the motor.

I run McMaster 18-8 stainless steel socket head screws m3 10mm long. A 100 count costs 4.53. buy these...
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I wouldn't use stainless. But the idea is right. Lots of thread engagement is good. The normal alloy screws are much stronger. Not that we need stronger screws per-se... But having a stronger screw means a stronger hex, and able to take more torque, for both installation and removal. Stainless also work hardens faster.. and with lopsided motor mounts, bending loads is a concern for me.

Part number for steel 12.8 steel.
91290A115 7.36

Part number for 18-8 Stainless.
91292A113 4.53

Also: Stripped screws holes are a benefit of renting motors. It's not "your worry".
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i don't promote the idea of "it's not your worry". rentals only work when people do the right thing. if abused -- this whole thing will go away.

when we had a few reports of this at NYGP i personally spoke w/ both of the 'recent' motor (current day, and yesterday) users and "demanded" they show me their motor screws. this is where i got my two thread comment form.
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i don't promote the idea of "it's not your worry". rentals only work when people do the right thing. if abused -- this whole thing will go away.

when we had a few reports of this at NYGP i personally spoke w/ both of the 'recent' motor (current day, and yesterday) users and "demanded" they show me their motor screws. this is where i got my two thread comment form.
It's a sword that cuts both ways. "I" am not going to abuse a rented motor. But it's nice to be secure in the fact that if I do get a motor someone screwed up, it's not mine to live with.

So.. you are having trouble with that. It.. might be worth issuing motor screws with the motors. At least if that's a big worry. It would cost something like $0.25 a motor, once you account for shipping and losses. I suspect you'd need to spend another $0.14 cents a motor, year to year, to account for stripped heads. But those are just guesses. :-)

.. I personally wouldn't trust other peoples screws.
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Hi guys I finally got some time to test a little. Tested roughly 20 different combinations on the Serpent for Super Stock and ended with an internal around 2.007ish. I'm not 100% yet on the exact number but that one is very close.
112/36 for example produces and FDR of 6.24 which is still over what it would be with 2.00 but not as high as I though. I think that we just didn't let the RPM stabilize the first time around.
I think I found 2 combinations that are super close to 6.20 and ordered the Spurs to try them out. I will ask the Apex guys to try it as well to confirm they work.
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There was an Edit at bottom of the Wiki that was inaccurate, I modified it.
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The first Can-Am Stock TC race went great at Soda City RC. Everyone who ran the class loved it. So nice not having to worry about motor/gearing/timing and just driving/setup.

Have six more people wanting to join and I'm sure there will be more after this weekend.

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