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MOTOR OF MONTH NO MORE!!!
3.5mm MALE bullet connectors are REQUIRED
at all CanAm races

CanAm Motor & Transmission Specs
USGT
ORCA------------4.40min FDR Indoors--------------169g

STOCK TC
TEAM POWERS------5.40 min FDR Indoors-----------------173g

SUPER STOCK TC
SCORPION-----6.20 min FDR Indoor--------------------170g

CanAm Stock 1/12th
TEAM SCREAM-------------OPEN-----------------------160g

CanAm Super Stock 1/12th
TEAM SCREAM-----------35T/88T-----------------------160g

CanAm F1
SCORPION-----------------28T/92T-----------------------170g

CanAm WGTR
ORCA---------------------36T/92T-----------------------169g


TC/USGT Likely Spur/Pinion Combinations
USGT
1.7 Internal
96/37 => 4.411 FDR
101/39 => 4.403 FDR

1.80 Internal
93/38 => 4.405 FDR
98/40 => 4.410 FDR

1.85 Internal
100/42 => 4.405 FDR

1.9 Internal
95/41 => 4.402 FDR
102/44 => 4.405 FDR

2.0 Internal
99/45 => 4.400 FDR

STOCK TC INDOOR
1.7 Internal
102/32 => 5.419 FDR
105/33 => 5.409 FDR
108/34 => 5.400 FDR

1.80 Internal
99/33 => 5.400FDR
102/34 => 5
.400 FDR
105/35 => 5
.400 FDR
108/36 => 5
.400 FDR
111/37 => 5
.400 FDR

1.85 Internal
108/37 => 5.400 FDR
111/38 => 5.404 FDR
114/39 => 5.408 FDR

1.9 Internal
108/38 => 5.400 FDR
111/39 => 5.408 FDR

2.0 Internal
92/34 => 5.412 FDR
100/37 => 5.405 FDR
108/40 => 5.400 FDR

SUPER STOCK TC INDOOR
1.7 Internal

106/29 => 6.214 FDR
110/30 => 6.233 FDR

1.80 Internal
100/29 => 6.207 FDR
107/31 => 6.213 FDR
114/33 => 6.218 FDR

1.85 Internal
104/31 => 6.206 FDR
114/34 => 6.203 FDR

1.9 Internal
98/30 => 6.207 FDR
108/33 => 6.218 FDR
111/34 => 6.203 FDR

2.0 Internal
112/36 => 6.222 FDR

edit : serpent 4x was checked and confirmed that it is a 2.000 I.R.
but due to the O.D. of the pulleys it binds belts causing car to bind up at high speeds

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Keep the feedback coming guys. We will have to rely upon race promoters / tracks to "spec" any stock 1/12 gear set.

We won't make sweeping changes until season 2 . Just getting this going now. Still have many things to learn and live thru.
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Can someone please post a picture of a WGT-R car with the motor installed? I've got a feeling that I'm going to have to modify my car's rear pod to make room for the connectors....
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Can someone please post a picture of a WGT-R car with the motor installed? I've got a feeling that I'm going to have to modify my car's rear pod to make room for the connectors....
There were only 9 wgt-r cars in competition last week at 360 as it is not a weekly class at that track.

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GREAT JOB CAN-AM at the NYGP
What a fun race. Now you can concentrate on chassis setup and driving👍
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I raced all 3 12 scale classes last week at 360. First off: beautiful facility! Table top smooth. Traction was excellent when it comes to black carpet, not checker board or directional. Once I got into qualifying, I thought, oh boy, my stock motor is a dud. At the end of the day, I was excited, I get to turn it in, get another in the morning. What was ignorant and wasteful that day was my attitude. I was so quick to blame the motor for being slow. After R3 and the new motor did not perform any better then R1 or R2, I knew what to blame: the guy holding the transmitter! So I stole one of the guys "large rear tire idea" and cut up a set of 42.5mm and hacked a bunch out of the back of the wing for R4. I thought it will either Frisbee off the track or keep stride down the straight. I was pleasantly surprised that it worked fairly well. I did not move up enough to make the A directly, led a tone to tone win in the B, drove into the A through the back door. (more track time!) I had 3 more chances to tweak corner speed on Sunday. I took another 1/8" off the back of my Strakka which did not improve/degrade corner stability and if I gained anything on the straight I'd be surprised. At this point, I was working on front end, side springs-preload, etc. I ran out of time. But the lesson that I learned is: speed is going to come from the chassis in stock, the motors are all the same. So when you get beat by 2 laps, get to work and stop blaming HP.

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So I had EA check my fdr before the mains today at Apex. 84/27* 2=6.222222.

48pitch

The fdr checker called it 6.23.

So I call bs on the serpent not being 2.0.
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So I had EA check my fdr before the mains. 84/27* 2=6.22222

48pitch

The fdr checker called it 6.23.

So I call bs on the serpent not being 2.0.
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Originally Posted by KUI View Post
So I had EA check my fdr before the mains. 84/27* 2=6.22222

48pitch

The fdr checker called it 6.23.

So I call bs on the serpent not being 2.0.
Hi. First, there are different ways to provide input than to call BS on things you haven't tried or verified. Your test was with 48 pitch not 64. And even 6.23 checked vs 6.22 calculated is obviously not right either. If it was exactly 2.0, the checker in theory would have shown 6.22, not 6.23 as 6.22222 is closer to 6.22 than it is from 6.23. For example, 6.226 would make the checker show 6.23.
Also, if I were right there in front of you, in person, I'm pretty sure you would have worded your opinion more politely.

Secondly, thank you for your input. This tells us that the serpent cars provide for a more accurate FDR with 48 pitch than 64 pitch. As you probably know, most racers use 64 pitch. This is why I didn't mention 84/27 in my gearing suggestions. Two different serpent cars were tested at the NYGP, one Stock TC and one Super Stock TC. Both came out at an equivalent of 2.0283 internal.
I need to do more testing but if you could provide more input on your testing that would be great. Also, please use a positive approach next time around.

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I have watched Frenchie work hard trying to get the ratio right for the Serpent cars, good job.
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I have watched Frenchie work hard trying to get the ratio right for the Serpent cars, good job.
Thanks for the kind words!
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Originally Posted by Joe Kimble View Post
Hi. First, there are different ways to provide input than to call BS on things you haven't tried or verified. Your test was with 48 pitch not 64. And even 6.23 checked vs 6.22 calculated is obviously not right either. If it was exactly 2.0, the checker in theory would have shown 6.22, not 6.23 as 6.22222 is closer to 6.22 than it is from 6.23. For example, 6.226 would make the checker show 6.23.
Also, if I were right there in front of you, in person, I'm pretty sure you would have worded your opinion more politely.

Secondly, thank you for your input. This tells us that the serpent cars provide for a more accurate FDR with 48 pitch than 64 pitch. As you probably know, most racers use 64 pitch. This is why I didn't mention 84/27 in my gearing suggestions. Two different serpent cars were tested at the NYGP, one Stock TC and one Super Stock TC. Both came out at an equivalent of 2.0283 internal.
I need to do more testing but if you could provide more input on your testing that would be great. Also, please use a positive approach next time around.

Thank you.
I assure you kui is just as blunt in person as on keyboard , lol I like that about him .
But any how , me ,steve and eric anderson checked steves internal in 3 ways ...
Counted the teeth ...19/38 =2.000 there is no way for the car to change that if the belt has teeth as well .
2nd try I meausured the O.D. of the pullies and did the formula to check that ... And actually it came out with 2.0515 by our measurements which will vary based on ware/condition .
3rd we used the FDR checker and it came to the conclusion above and possibly bounced around .01 between tests but was close enough to verify the internal was 2.0
Now with the 4x serpent car I think the strait away speed difference than the otuer cars running same fdr is cause the high speed drag the belt and pully friction from the 19/38 vs the OD of the pullies not being correct ...
In our measurements if you run the front belt loose it will skip a tooth on spool once tention reaches a point that would cause the fdr checker to read a higher fdr than geared for. Tighten the belt so it cant skip will correct the fdr #s.... But Will cause drag on the strait slowing you down 3'-5' on a 100' strait ...which seems to be what we are noticing at apex

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I assure you kui is just as blunt in person as on keyboard , lol I like that about him .
people are just too "sensitive" nowadays....
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Originally Posted by jlfx car audio View Post
I assure you kui is just as blunt in person as on keyboard , lol I like that about him .
But any how , me ,steve and eric anderson checked steves internal in 3 ways ...
Counted the teeth ...19/38 =2.000 there is no way for the car to change that if the belt has teeth as well .
2nd try I meausured the O.D. of the pullies and did the formula to check that ... And actually it came out with 2.0515 by our measurements which will vary based on ware/condition .
3rd we used the FDR checker and it came to the conclusion above and possibly bounced around .01 between tests but was close enough to verify the internal was 2.0
Now with the 4x serpent car I think the strait away speed difference than the otuer cars running same fdr is cause the high speed drag the belt and pully friction from the 19/38 vs the OD of the pullies not being correct ...
In our measurements if you run the front belt loose it will skip a tooth on spool once tention reaches a point that would cause the fdr checker to read a higher fdr than geared for. Tighten the belt so it cant skip will correct the fdr #s.... But Will cause drag on the strait slowing you down 3'-5' on a 100' strait ...which seems to be what we are noticing at apex
We also tried this with 104/34 64 pitch. Same result.
EA's checker read 6.17. That's when I went to 84/27 and it read 6.22. Sorry I'm not one to use fluffy words.....
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that is correct i just had forgot the actual gearing you was told to run with your serpent that was tested
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Originally Posted by jlfx car audio View Post
I assure you kui is just as blunt in person as on keyboard , lol I like that about him .
But any how , me ,steve and eric anderson checked steves internal in 3 ways ...
Counted the teeth ...19/38 =2.000 there is no way for the car to change that if the belt has teeth as well .
2nd try I meausured the O.D. of the pullies and did the formula to check that ... And actually it came out with 2.0515 by our measurements which will vary based on ware/condition .
3rd we used the FDR checker and it came to the conclusion above and possibly bounced around .01 between tests but was close enough to verify the internal was 2.0
Now with the 4x serpent car I think the strait away speed difference than the otuer cars running same fdr is cause the high speed drag the belt and pully friction from the 19/38 vs the OD of the pullies not being correct ...
In our measurements if you run the front belt loose it will skip a tooth on spool once tention reaches a point that would cause the fdr checker to read a higher fdr than geared for. Tighten the belt so it cant skip will correct the fdr #s.... But Will cause drag on the strait slowing you down 3'-5' on a 100' strait ...which seems to be what we are noticing at apex
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people are just too "sensitive" nowadays....
Not about being sensitive. He called BS on something he hadn't verified. Not a big deal, just needed to be addressed. Let's move on.
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