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MOTOR OF MONTH NO MORE!!!
3.5mm MALE bullet connectors are REQUIRED
at all CanAm races

CanAm Motor & Transmission Specs
USGT
ORCA------------4.40min FDR Indoors-------------169g

STOCK TC
TEAM POWERS------5.40 min FDR Indoors-----------------173g

SUPER STOCK TC
SCORPION-----6.20 min FDR Indoor--------------------170g

CanAm Stock 1/12th
TEAM SCREAM-------------OPEN-----------------------160g

CanAm Super Stock 1/12th
TEAM SCREAM-----------35T/88T-----------------------160g

CanAm F1
SCORPION-----------------28T/92T-----------------------170g

CanAm WGTR
ORCA---------------------36T/92T-----------------------169g


TC/USGT Likely Spur/Pinion Combinations
USGT
1.7 Internal
96/37 => 4.411 FDR
101/39 => 4.403 FDR

1.80 Internal
93/38 => 4.405 FDR
98/40 => 4.410 FDR

1.85 Internal
100/42 => 4.405 FDR

1.9 Internal
95/41 => 4.402 FDR
102/44 => 4.405 FDR

2.0 Internal
99/45 => 4.400 FDR

STOCK TC INDOOR
1.7 Internal
102/32 => 5.419 FDR
105/33 => 5.409 FDR
108/34 => 5.400 FDR

1.80 Internal
99/33 => 5.400FDR
102/34 => 5
.400 FDR
105/35 => 5
.400 FDR
108/36 => 5
.400 FDR
111/37 => 5
.400 FDR

1.85 Internal
108/37 => 5.400 FDR
111/38 => 5.404 FDR
114/39 => 5.408 FDR

1.9 Internal
108/38 => 5.400 FDR
111/39 => 5.408 FDR

2.0 Internal
92/34 => 5.412 FDR
100/37 => 5.405 FDR
108/40 => 5.400 FDR

SUPER STOCK TC INDOOR
1.7 Internal

106/29 => 6.214 FDR
110/30 => 6.233 FDR

1.80 Internal
100/29 => 6.207 FDR
107/31 => 6.213 FDR
114/33 => 6.218 FDR

1.85 Internal
104/31 => 6.206 FDR
114/34 => 6.203 FDR

1.9 Internal
98/30 => 6.207 FDR
108/33 => 6.218 FDR
111/34 => 6.203 FDR

2.0 Internal
112/36 => 6.222 FDR

NB: Serpent Project 4X was checked and due to the O.D. of the center pulley the internal is not exactly 2.000. Testing revealed it is closer to 2.005. For Serpent Cars ONLY, the drivers who wish to be as close as possible to the Minimum FDR can use the following spur/pinion combinations: SS TC => 99/32; Stock TC => 97/36; USGT => 101/46.

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Old 09-25-2018, 06:24 AM
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There isn't a loophole in the sense that a fwd car, even geared up and with weight up front, stands 0 chance against a standard 4wd TC chassis. I don't think it even ever would be close.
I'm not am expert in racing but I believe that even in real life fwd cars get destroyed against 4wd cars.
The biggest factor I can think of is that the load and weight transfer during acceleration goes from front of the car to the rear. So the rear is where you need the drive on the wheels. This would explain why in real life certain Rwd cars are competitive. Like the German cars.
Even on 4wd cars the rear drive train wears much faster than front. This is most noticeable in nitro GT8.
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Originally Posted by Joe Kimble View Post
There isn't a loophole in the sense that a fwd car, even geared up and with weight up front, stands 0 chance against a standard 4wd TC chassis. I don't think it even ever would be close.
I'm not am expert in racing but I believe that even in real life fwd cars get destroyed against 4wd cars.
The biggest factor I can think of is that the load and weight transfer during acceleration goes from front of the car to the rear. So the rear is where you need the drive on the wheels. This would explain why in real life certain Rwd cars are competitive. Like the German cars.
Even on 4wd cars the rear drive train wears much faster than front. This is most noticeable in nitro GT8.
What if I make my TC3 front wheel drive, get the weight advantage and run it in reverse, we should consult an expert, someone ask Bert.
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If there is a loop hole Scott Jakes will find it next week at the NYGP. Until then.. I have zero data to go by and more importantly have NEVER seen a single fwd car worth discussing other than "why they hell is someone running that"
im not gunna say we have been working on it, but..
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im not gunna say we have been working on it, but..
we already have Sydor NOT running the class... So you have a shot
Your welcome.
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Originally Posted by Joe Kimble View Post
There isn't a loophole in the sense that a fwd car, even geared up and with weight up front, stands 0 chance against a standard 4wd TC chassis. I don't think it even ever would be close.
I'm not am expert in racing but I believe that even in real life fwd cars get destroyed against 4wd cars.
The physics of the game, is elementary, and is covered in a whole lot of places. However, through rule configurations, FWD, RWD, and AWD cars have been able to run side by side in at least BTCC and a few other touring car series. USVTA is trying the same thing, and has a clause specifically in place to encourage the use of FWD. I've not seen anyone try to really exploit it. :-)

That person is me, this time.

Or, look at it this way. If you think 4wd is the way to go, more power to you. Me messing with a FWD chassis in the way USVTA is clearly wanting someone to do, isn't hurting you at all.
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So we don't want Can-Am races to count towards the series points, but we want Can-Am FWD gearing concessions based on a clause in the USGT rule set?
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*shrugs* Can-Am, to me, appears to be a solid, good, set of motor rules that exists on top of other rulesets. They have put a lot of effort into making sure those racing classes (and rulesets) retain their essential ~class-ness~. This is good in my book. Much as lots of places just go "It's gotta be ROAR approved" regardless if it's a ROAR race or not.

I have no (public) opinion over weather or not Can-Am races should be parts of the point series to other groups.
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Thanks to Hanulec for getting the CanAm series together. We had the first race at Apex using the format this weekend and everyone absolutely loved it! We had guys turn the motors in each night and get new ones the next day and everyone said they could tell zero difference. Everyone was extremely happy and ready to do it again!

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I'd say the first race using the CanAm format was extremely successful. I ran different motors each day and couldn't tell the difference. The process was easy - sign a motor out at the beginning of the day, return it after racing the same day. Tech had a device to determine final drive ratio within seconds, and everyone I know of was close to the 6.20 min. FDR for Super Stock TC. Easy, well run process.
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My only complaint is that I wish all the classes at the race would have run them. I know that is all up to the promoter though. It was a pain for me travelling from out of town with a limited set of motors that were off the shelf and wouldn't pass tech. These weren't even those 1% team motors either, they were basic motors. This would have eliminated that, motor tech altogether and saved a lot of time for everyone. I think this is something promoters should take note of for future events.
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My only complaint is that I wish all the classes at the race would have run them. I know that is all up to the promoter though. It was a pain for me travelling from out of town with a limited set of motors that were off the shelf and wouldn't pass tech. These weren't even those 1% team motors either, they were basic motors. This would have eliminated that, motor tech altogether and saved a lot of time for everyone. I think this is something promoters should take note of for future events.
Kinda happy that after the first event you feel this way
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Kinda happy that after the first event you feel this way
And to add MOD anything would be the only class out....
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only a couple things that I noticed on the canam classes.

First make sure that you have a few extra rear belts as TC with the timing and gear that are speced is going to rip out a few belts if you don't tighten them up. Think mod toque and 21.5 straights noticed 1 or 2 this weekend toasted

Also make sure you tighten your motor right with the issue of putting the motor back in each race day. saw a couple gear fails in TC

as I ran 12th scale I also saw couple gear fails on that also.

prepare to go through tires more than normal. again low timing high rollout is just shredding tires.

for 12th scale not sure on the MPRL (mm per run loss) but one day I'll have one of the motors to figure that out for club racing.
13.5 on green CRC compound I can run 4 rounds on black carpet with a 13.5 starting at 41.5mm and finish at 39.7 about .45 MPRL

last don't listen to a thing they say about it "drive like a wind".... For the mortals out here the 12th scale SS (10.5) felt like driving a Mod car for the first 5 feet out of every corner. it took a different driving style for me vs 13.5 to not bang it off the wall or diff out. even the 2 pros were having trouble. As I was a little busy announcing I didn't get to try anything setup wise so it was drive it as is. but one thing I might try would be torque control on the ESC. again think MOD out of the corner. you can roll off a little but I had to remember not to slap it back when I rounded the corner. so if you want to run the SS class you better be able to drive Mod for 5 feet if you want to drive fast. Throttle control.

I'll find out at the Halloween classic how stock is. sure wise I had a motor to get a feel for how it drives.

never worried about being slow. never did before with roar either the fast guys were fast and the slow guys were slow. BUT the fast guys might of been a little closer and the slower guys might of been a little closer to each other. but than again might of been the same with roar 13.5 and a high gear ratio. the gearing allows you to miss the line and if the grip is there jump back in it if it holds and not lose as much time.

also cheaper? if birds and one other race I'm going to goes canam I'll spend over 250+ from now to January and only have but the memories of a motor rental, and $130 for probably 2 paper weights. $380 on canam motors that I can't use or maybe I can. not sure yet still trying to figure that out. good thing I'm not going to vegas or the 6 or 8 legal roar motors that I have would get worn out so I'll have them for the roar nats next year.

of course I'm the guy that made the A main at the 2012 carpet nats with a Duo1 that I had run since 2009 carpet nats. Still have the motor. 9 years old still runs.

now with all that said the racers seemed to think they didn't have to worry about motor or gearing and only adjust setup and just drive. which is good. I just drove. finished 3rd
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Any plans for fixed gearing on 12th stock at all races like nygp is?
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Hopefully not.
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