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#361
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Sorry to hijack things but the only reason you see "one body" usgt races is lazy racers. I remember when everybody ran Cadillacs a few years ago because they thought it was the best, according to "fast guys", yet there had to be at least 5 bodies that worked as well or better. Justin, ask Busse about using a tank weight Tamiya NSX in the A main at the Snowbirds.
The body thing is all down to pure laziness
The body thing is all down to pure laziness
#362
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Furthermore, vis-a-vis USVTA I have no problem with what is being done here, but it's not our ballgame that hanulec is setting up. We are not sanctioning anything because I want to see how it all plays out. I really hope he is able to solve the problem.
And as far as dragging our feet, sorry dude. If I said, "well its all Hobbywing Justock motors" tomorrow, it would sound like an orchestra of scorched cats on rctech. Thats what I was really thinking about, going back to one motor. And you know how many guys bitched FOR YEARS about Novak motors. There's no easy answers, unless you're in the peanut gallery. It's real easy there.
And as far as dragging our feet, sorry dude. If I said, "well its all Hobbywing Justock motors" tomorrow, it would sound like an orchestra of scorched cats on rctech. Thats what I was really thinking about, going back to one motor. And you know how many guys bitched FOR YEARS about Novak motors. There's no easy answers, unless you're in the peanut gallery. It's real easy there.
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"orchestra of scorched cats"
freakin hilarious
freakin hilarious
#364
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[QUOTE=hanulec;15291103]mleemor60 --
My wish is you'd stay in your Kannapolis thread.... I depend on the daily weather forecast.
I never said I didn't like the rules that you have established. I have always stated that it was a reasonable idea right up to the point that the "body" reserved the right to deem anything illegal that they didn't like. If you want to try to establish what "stock" is then more power to you but reserving the right to ban, say red wheels, because they produce faster lap times and excessive "curb appeal" than any other is subject to being, how should we say, abusive? Yet, such is mentioned early on in this thread.
Are there abuses within the manufacturing chain for brushless motors? Very likely so why not adhere to your implied mandate and deal with formulating what stock should be before meddling with a well defined and thoughtfully planned and regulated group that has chosen to select motors from a sanctioning body and list that you disapprove of for no other apparent reason than you can.
As to your suggestion of not using and or staying away from events that do use your selective and exclusive rules. I will. I might also suggest that if you don't like the rules that USGT operates by then you should follow your own advice to me. For my operation I would like to think that I have an easier and more inclusive solution. USGT/VTA/F-1 as offered and intended by the founders of the classes with clearly laid out and easily followed rules and regulations. Everything else, 17.5 and under is MOD. Period. If you feel the need to regulate further then ban tire snot and or select a tire that diminishes the want or need for the motors that will propel the car to it's vanishing point. We try to teach and instruct the newer participants at our track to concentrate on lap count not speed. As the lap count improves the speed comes naturally and you wind up with higher car counts cause there are fewer broken parts and fewer discouragements within the ranks.
Every time there is an attempt to re invent the wheel it somehow gets knocked out of balance or made out of round by well intended parties usually in search of a way to gain or preserve an advantage by making it unobtainable or deemed unwanted to everyone else. To all the Kool-Aid drinkers that are rallying around this power grabbing "coup", be careful what you wish for.
Are there abuses within the manufacturing chain for brushless motors? Very likely so why not adhere to your implied mandate and deal with formulating what stock should be before meddling with a well defined and thoughtfully planned and regulated group that has chosen to select motors from a sanctioning body and list that you disapprove of for no other apparent reason than you can.
As to your suggestion of not using and or staying away from events that do use your selective and exclusive rules. I will. I might also suggest that if you don't like the rules that USGT operates by then you should follow your own advice to me. For my operation I would like to think that I have an easier and more inclusive solution. USGT/VTA/F-1 as offered and intended by the founders of the classes with clearly laid out and easily followed rules and regulations. Everything else, 17.5 and under is MOD. Period. If you feel the need to regulate further then ban tire snot and or select a tire that diminishes the want or need for the motors that will propel the car to it's vanishing point. We try to teach and instruct the newer participants at our track to concentrate on lap count not speed. As the lap count improves the speed comes naturally and you wind up with higher car counts cause there are fewer broken parts and fewer discouragements within the ranks.
Every time there is an attempt to re invent the wheel it somehow gets knocked out of balance or made out of round by well intended parties usually in search of a way to gain or preserve an advantage by making it unobtainable or deemed unwanted to everyone else. To all the Kool-Aid drinkers that are rallying around this power grabbing "coup", be careful what you wish for.
#366
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Furthermore, vis-a-vis USVTA I have no problem with what is being done here, but it's not our ballgame that hanulec is setting up. We are not sanctioning anything because I want to see how it all plays out. I really hope he is able to solve the problem.
And as far as dragging our feet, sorry dude. If I said, "well its all Hobbywing Justock motors" tomorrow, it would sound like an orchestra of scorched cats on rctech. Thats what I was really thinking about, going back to one motor. And you know how many guys bitched FOR YEARS about Novak motors. There's no easy answers, unless you're in the peanut gallery. It's real easy there.
And as far as dragging our feet, sorry dude. If I said, "well its all Hobbywing Justock motors" tomorrow, it would sound like an orchestra of scorched cats on rctech. Thats what I was really thinking about, going back to one motor. And you know how many guys bitched FOR YEARS about Novak motors. There's no easy answers, unless you're in the peanut gallery. It's real easy there.
So you do see a problem in the heart of usvta land ... Its just a large step to take to put a select motor in place ... Which can Am as done and has taken full recoil from . sound like you like the idea and want to see how it plays out before you choose to go in a separate direction or parallel path.
Nice to know ,cause to hear Myron tell it its nothing further from the truth .
#367
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my truth is that Ive posted 100 times that if the USVTA goes this route, Ill support it as I have always have.... I have not always agreed with rule changes in the USVTA, but in the end I care more about the classes than anything else.... but that brings in my point, the wheels in the USVTA have turned and turned before, we have heard it all, incl ...Novak only WTF. HW for GT, that sux, and ect… so if you put all that together the USVTA has learned NOT to jump to any one thing to satisfy a few.
Would going back to one motor help?.... would going with Can-Am format work?.... would making all USVTA classes use ROAR 25.5's and then set a body weight min?....Maybe...hey the thing is that Can-Am is here, will it work?...who knows...but IMO, the USVTA classes are fine with the normal exceptions....and that comes in at different levels....between real USVTA racers, and the rest
Would going back to one motor help?.... would going with Can-Am format work?.... would making all USVTA classes use ROAR 25.5's and then set a body weight min?....Maybe...hey the thing is that Can-Am is here, will it work?...who knows...but IMO, the USVTA classes are fine with the normal exceptions....and that comes in at different levels....between real USVTA racers, and the rest
#369
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Dragging your feet was the wrong phrase . but it worked to get the reply I needed thanks .
So you do see a problem in the heart of usvta land ... Its just a large step to take to put a select motor in place ... Which can Am as done and has taken full recoil from . sound like you like the idea and want to see how it plays out before you choose to go in a separate direction or parallel path.
Nice to know ,cause to hear Myron tell it its nothing further from the truth .
So you do see a problem in the heart of usvta land ... Its just a large step to take to put a select motor in place ... Which can Am as done and has taken full recoil from . sound like you like the idea and want to see how it plays out before you choose to go in a separate direction or parallel path.
Nice to know ,cause to hear Myron tell it its nothing further from the truth .
are you just trying to sound like a know it all?
If this is just some dumb post so you can feel like you got over on Myron, congratulations. You win the internet
#370
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#2 Not trying to sound like a know it all at all .
#3 Not a dumb post to get over on myron at all ... Just trying to make him quit talking about how "perfect the vta/USGT" program is right now ... Nothing is perfect but some are atleast trying to make it better instead of constantly saying and preaching "its the racers fault"... That statement wins the internet for the stupidest blanket statement on rc tech .... Cause we are all racers on rc tech (except bert and a few others ) do statingthe obevous isnt changing anything...
#371
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Can-Am Questions
Ok, Lets go in a different direction for a moment. Lets say someone wants to race at Cleveland in the USGT-CanAm class. That person does not currently have a Orca Can-Am motor. What should a prepared racer do prior to arriving at the event? How can racers get a feel for cars in Can-Am spec/trim?
Second, the USGT-CanAm class will follow a gear ratio rule. Please elaborate on that. Is that a max gear ratio? Could someone run a lower than max ratio? Or are all cars going to be forced to be prepared with a possibly a performance neutering gear ratio?
I think these questions can pertain to all Can-Am enforced classes.
Snowy,
Second, the USGT-CanAm class will follow a gear ratio rule. Please elaborate on that. Is that a max gear ratio? Could someone run a lower than max ratio? Or are all cars going to be forced to be prepared with a possibly a performance neutering gear ratio?
I think these questions can pertain to all Can-Am enforced classes.
Snowy,
#372
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Ok, Lets go in a different direction for a moment. Lets say someone wants to race at Cleveland in the USGT-CanAm class. That person does not currently have a Orca Can-Am motor. What should a prepared racer do prior to arriving at the event? How can racers get a feel for cars in Can-Am spec/trim?
Second, the USGT-CanAm class will follow a gear ratio rule. Please elaborate on that. Is that a max gear ratio? Could someone run a lower than max ratio? Or are all cars going to be forced to be prepared with a possibly a performance neutering gear ratio?
I think these questions can pertain to all Can-Am enforced classes.
Snowy,
Second, the USGT-CanAm class will follow a gear ratio rule. Please elaborate on that. Is that a max gear ratio? Could someone run a lower than max ratio? Or are all cars going to be forced to be prepared with a possibly a performance neutering gear ratio?
I think these questions can pertain to all Can-Am enforced classes.
Snowy,
#1 to be prepared for the event--
1.a. have male bullets on your motor a-b-c wires
1.b. have the necessary gears to make the posted FDR at Classes . not all classes have the FDR posted as we are having multiple tracks test these FDR to make sure they make sense. USGT, WGT-R, F1 all pending still
1.c. if you want to "test" for the event run your existing 21.5 USGT motor at the posted FDR.
#2 we have either a set FDR or pinion/spur combo specified in 6 of 7 classes. for stock tc the FDR is 5.40. some gear calc tools do rounding that makes your setup incorrect. a good / simple calc for your phone is: iGearChart. a variety of methods will be used during motor hand out to ensure your gears are checked/stamped plus we will do select post race FDR checks via a tool that interfaces w/ the motor sensor wire to read motor RPM and measures wheel RPM
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