1141LikesCan-Am RC Series
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08-18-2018, 02:18 PM
#272
Welcome back Ron, and I must say the Can Am series makes spending big bucks on anything else but a tc4 useless... Yeah I got an A700ex, but have not had any real need to use it since the cancellation of the motor of the week program, which you and Mr. Fair were the best at....lol....Now my tc4 stands a chance, with or without the crazy wiring job and the hundreds of diff pinion/ring gears.... Hope to see you back at 360v2 soon, and I've put in about four years of benchracing work on my tc4 ...
08-19-2018, 07:37 PM
#273
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Anyone that disagrees with the Can-Am rules and runs spec falls into one of the below categories
1. A cheater
2. A person who gets a "deal" from a motor manufacture and thinks they have an advantage, but unless you are one of the top 2-3 drivers on any given team are probably locked into buying motors that are probably not as good as shelf bought motors
3. A moron
4. Run for trinity.
5. A non factor anyways so might as well not spend $150 on a Top 1% motor that is actually top 1% of the motors not taken by the team
6. An idiot
7. Get stuff for free but unless its the motor of the week refer back to 5 and 6
8. Like to waste money
This all coming from a person that can or could get just about anything motor related for free and just want racing to be fair and grow the hobby.
/thread
Lets race.
1. A cheater
2. A person who gets a "deal" from a motor manufacture and thinks they have an advantage, but unless you are one of the top 2-3 drivers on any given team are probably locked into buying motors that are probably not as good as shelf bought motors
3. A moron
4. Run for trinity.
5. A non factor anyways so might as well not spend $150 on a Top 1% motor that is actually top 1% of the motors not taken by the team
6. An idiot
7. Get stuff for free but unless its the motor of the week refer back to 5 and 6
8. Like to waste money
This all coming from a person that can or could get just about anything motor related for free and just want racing to be fair and grow the hobby.
/thread
Lets race.
I was eating a samwich...fumbling thru the thread..and bam ...starting gasping for air with laughter.
I vote this for post of the year.
I'm back from absentia.
Good to see the Goat posting up
Last edited by olhipster1; 08-19-2018 at 07:49 PM.
08-22-2018, 05:49 PM
#277
08-23-2018, 04:18 PM
#278
I love what the can am guys are trying to do, but i have a couple questions. I think I was understanding something different.. Somewhere on this thread I'm sure i read 50-60 for the year for a spec motor ( I could be wrong ) so 50 in rental for 17.5 and 13.5 leave me confused. Also I'm not sure how its going to grow at club races if we aren't able to purchase a motor to run there. Our local track can't afford to spend 1000 on 20 to rent and nobody there will pay 20 a day or whatever to rent.. Seems like purchasing a motor at a reasonable price that can be protested or replaced if cheating is evident and tracks require you to use is the right thing. I'm open to trying whatever but if I attend 4 races and run 2 classes that's 200 in motor rental with nothing to show for it.. Not sure how this saves the average guy money
08-23-2018, 05:56 PM
#280
The motor rental/ purchase is up to each track to handle how they see fit . sell them for 75 to racers or possible deal if a buik buy is done by track ,owner ,promoter.
360v2 ,180 raceway and apex rc are doing a buy program each racer purchases a motor for $60-75 for each class they plan to run and return each motor at the end of each race day or practice day . and this motor Will be good for one yr (till aug1st of 2019) the motors can also be rented at $15 per day unroll motor is paid for . I would think at the end of the motors cycle it will be yours to do as you please with or continue to use the following yr depending on the track ... Now prices are not locked in by no means this is just what I'm hearing in how each is planning to handle it .
360v2 ,180 raceway and apex rc are doing a buy program each racer purchases a motor for $60-75 for each class they plan to run and return each motor at the end of each race day or practice day . and this motor Will be good for one yr (till aug1st of 2019) the motors can also be rented at $15 per day unroll motor is paid for . I would think at the end of the motors cycle it will be yours to do as you please with or continue to use the following yr depending on the track ... Now prices are not locked in by no means this is just what I'm hearing in how each is planning to handle it .
08-23-2018, 07:49 PM
#281
So if I go to one of these can am events that I have to purchase the motor, will I be able to take that motor and use it or exchange it for another one at another Can Am event that year? Otherwise I’ve just bought a (price to be determined) paperweight.
Also, I see in all the testing photos and vids, you guys are still running fans and bragging about motor temps. They seem reasonable with fans, but why happens when a car drops a fan, and the motor overheats? The next guy getting that motor is going to get a turd. Why not design these motors to be run without a fan?
Also, I see in all the testing photos and vids, you guys are still running fans and bragging about motor temps. They seem reasonable with fans, but why happens when a car drops a fan, and the motor overheats? The next guy getting that motor is going to get a turd. Why not design these motors to be run without a fan?
08-23-2018, 08:04 PM
#282
So if I go to one of these can am events that I have to purchase the motor, will I be able to take that motor and use it or exchange it for another one at another Can Am event that year? Otherwise I’ve just bought a (price to be determined) paperweight.
Also, I see in all the testing photos and vids, you guys are still running fans and bragging about motor temps. They seem reasonable with fans, but why happens when a car drops a fan, and the motor overheats? The next guy getting that motor is going to get a turd. Why not design these motors to be run without a fan?
Also, I see in all the testing photos and vids, you guys are still running fans and bragging about motor temps. They seem reasonable with fans, but why happens when a car drops a fan, and the motor overheats? The next guy getting that motor is going to get a turd. Why not design these motors to be run without a fan?
08-23-2018, 08:11 PM
#283
So if I go to one of these can am events that I have to purchase the motor, will I be able to take that motor and use it or exchange it for another one at another Can Am event that year? Otherwise I’ve just bought a (price to be determined) paperweight.
Also, I see in all the testing photos and vids, you guys are still running fans and bragging about motor temps. They seem reasonable with fans, but why happens when a car drops a fan, and the motor overheats? The next guy getting that motor is going to get a turd. Why not design these motors to be run without a fan?
Also, I see in all the testing photos and vids, you guys are still running fans and bragging about motor temps. They seem reasonable with fans, but why happens when a car drops a fan, and the motor overheats? The next guy getting that motor is going to get a turd. Why not design these motors to be run without a fan?
08-23-2018, 08:17 PM
#284
So the inverse will be asked. If I purchase one at my local track, will I be able to bring and use or swap it at the event or at another track that runs can am.
And while I can’t recall which one of the upcoming races it is, but one of them is requiring purchase of the motor for $60ish I believe. Please, if this is inaccurate, could someone post the accurate info?
The others are requiring payment far in advance of normal to get numbers. They will then rent them at the event, and continue to rent or sell them during club racing. This stands to be a massive profit for tracks hosting big events, at minimum it alleviates any cost associated with start-up, so there is no long term risk. It’s smart, limit your cost, but I still don’t think small tracks that can’t host large events will be able to cover the up front cost.
Thank you for getting the info on motor temps. More info is good. I would really think that Can Am would require the allowance of motor swapping from one venue to the next. This keeps the low cost principle and spec, no tampering principle is place. Otherwise people are buying/renting several times a year creating zero cost savings, while accumulating more motors that will be useless the next year. Grandfathering in motors from year to year, should be another requirement, saving even more money. If the motors aren’t getting used up as you say, they should be good for several years. That is if the next years motors are comparable, and shouldn’t they be? That is kind of the whole point isn’t it, to stop chasing motors?
And while I can’t recall which one of the upcoming races it is, but one of them is requiring purchase of the motor for $60ish I believe. Please, if this is inaccurate, could someone post the accurate info?
The others are requiring payment far in advance of normal to get numbers. They will then rent them at the event, and continue to rent or sell them during club racing. This stands to be a massive profit for tracks hosting big events, at minimum it alleviates any cost associated with start-up, so there is no long term risk. It’s smart, limit your cost, but I still don’t think small tracks that can’t host large events will be able to cover the up front cost.
Thank you for getting the info on motor temps. More info is good. I would really think that Can Am would require the allowance of motor swapping from one venue to the next. This keeps the low cost principle and spec, no tampering principle is place. Otherwise people are buying/renting several times a year creating zero cost savings, while accumulating more motors that will be useless the next year. Grandfathering in motors from year to year, should be another requirement, saving even more money. If the motors aren’t getting used up as you say, they should be good for several years. That is if the next years motors are comparable, and shouldn’t they be? That is kind of the whole point isn’t it, to stop chasing motors?
08-23-2018, 11:12 PM
#285
Been in an airplane...
No one wants to waste time at a major event checking/returning motors to spec. If you want to know why... Ask anyone who went to the 2018 carpet nats. So much wonderful track time was totally wasted ....
if I had my way every Can-Am race would be pure handout with daily motor return and random re-draw of motor the next day.
The price of things will vary from your club track to a major event like the HC. Using new motors for every event frankly just generates unnecessary cost. We've put 100ks of laps on motors without noticable degrade... And this was without any proactive work (which won't be the case for major event motor rentals --- manufacturer will check/recheck)
No one wants to waste time at a major event checking/returning motors to spec. If you want to know why... Ask anyone who went to the 2018 carpet nats. So much wonderful track time was totally wasted ....
if I had my way every Can-Am race would be pure handout with daily motor return and random re-draw of motor the next day.
The price of things will vary from your club track to a major event like the HC. Using new motors for every event frankly just generates unnecessary cost. We've put 100ks of laps on motors without noticable degrade... And this was without any proactive work (which won't be the case for major event motor rentals --- manufacturer will check/recheck)
