698LikesHandout motors
03-13-2018, 04:41 PM
#16
Pooling together is a long shot
03-13-2018, 04:52 PM
#17
Tech Master
What class needs these most???
Any class that has people concerned about motor of the week. Or, any class that is labelled "Sportsman" or "Amateur" at a large event.
Handout motors worked well for years at big races. Why not try it again?
It's definitely not a perfect solution or a fix-all but worth a shot.
Any class that has people concerned about motor of the week. Or, any class that is labelled "Sportsman" or "Amateur" at a large event.
Handout motors worked well for years at big races. Why not try it again?
It's definitely not a perfect solution or a fix-all but worth a shot.
03-13-2018, 05:15 PM
#18
its not the motors or ESC or chassis or sponsors...its US, the racers....there is no fix. Racers have to have limits and understand that your limit isn't my limit. You have to be willing to adjust and be honest with yourself about where you belong. But at the same time be aware that you have a real life outside of the hobby that may keep you from being that top guy that you want to be...all I'm saying is that racer are the issue not anything else.....find some new racers and groom them, then you will find your solution
03-13-2018, 05:19 PM
#19
You can't ban an entire product range if a single motor is found out of tolerance at an event. Especially if you do that with a cheap motor. They'd all be banned pretty quickly.
03-13-2018, 06:04 PM
#20
Back in the old days in Florida our series sent out bids every year for stock motors. Each racer had 3 motors in the box. If you did not turn them in at the end of the race you could buy another. When I did a Region rave I got 3 cases of motors. Just to make sure every motor worked I tested each one and put them in three groups. The every best motor was keep out of the mix. A motor out of the first box won the region race. Only I knew that information. I was only one of three racers to do 16 laps on our track that weekend. The other 7 racers in the A were in the 15 lap range. I've never told anyone about what i did until now. Oh and I did not work on my motor or charge my batteries. I had other people do that for me as i was running the race.
03-13-2018, 06:24 PM
#21
A control motor will not fix stock racing because the racer who came first last year will come first this year as simple as that because his or hers success is in their driving ability and chassis setup nothing more nothing less.
The Way to fix Stock is for the top 3 or 5 to move up a class thus giving the others the opportunity to improve.
Control motor may it be fixed timing or not and a fixed FDR gearing will not solve anything.
The Way to fix Stock is for the top 3 or 5 to move up a class thus giving the others the opportunity to improve.
Control motor may it be fixed timing or not and a fixed FDR gearing will not solve anything.
03-13-2018, 06:37 PM
#22
A control motor will not fix stock racing because the racer who came first last year will come first this year as simple as that because his or hers success is in their driving ability and chassis setup nothing more nothing less.
The Way to fix Stock is for the top 3 or 5 to move up a class thus giving the others the opportunity to improve.
The Way to fix Stock is for the top 3 or 5 to move up a class thus giving the others the opportunity to improve.
Definitely “some” validity to have a common motor for entry level - ie: Mabucchi silver can style - but when people then try to work around the system to not treat it as entry level it falls over.
Clive
03-13-2018, 06:41 PM
#23
Entry level 25.5T Fixed for beginners is the Go.
03-13-2018, 06:49 PM
#24
Yep - something. It’s the “forcing” people to move up that is hard.
As you know, people *wanted* 21.5 here (not everywhere, but near enough) Let’s see how it goes. We’ve done our best to provide a somewhat “level” playing field with the motors - but it won’t be perfect, no doubt.
As you know, people *wanted* 21.5 here (not everywhere, but near enough) Let’s see how it goes. We’ve done our best to provide a somewhat “level” playing field with the motors - but it won’t be perfect, no doubt.
03-13-2018, 06:57 PM
#25
Yep - something. It’s the “forcing” people to move up that is hard.
As you know, people *wanted* 21.5 here (not everywhere, but near enough) Let’s see how it goes. We’ve done our best to provide a somewhat “level” playing field with the motors - but it won’t be perfect, no doubt.
As you know, people *wanted* 21.5 here (not everywhere, but near enough) Let’s see how it goes. We’ve done our best to provide a somewhat “level” playing field with the motors - but it won’t be perfect, no doubt.
Good luck Clive .
03-13-2018, 07:05 PM
#26
OH boy this one is going to blow up 
Which classes need it the worst?
How can the motor manufactures still showcase their product?
Cheap fixed/sealed motor or standard motors all set the same?
Does a specific wind matter or a unspecified motor labeled as "stock"? (similar to 360v2.
I will try not to comment, I want to hear other opinions
let the fun commence
Which classes need it the worst?
How can the motor manufactures still showcase their product?
Cheap fixed/sealed motor or standard motors all set the same?
Does a specific wind matter or a unspecified motor labeled as "stock"? (similar to 360v2.
I will try not to comment, I want to hear other opinions
let the fun commence
But that's me and if you haven't read some of other post I'm a brush motor hold out. There is so much more you could do with them without need a damm laptop!
03-13-2018, 07:46 PM
#28
Miller_time,
The handout class at the US Indoor Champs worked great. It was a high quality motor that could be used after the race. The racing was very tight and was a lot of fun. I like the idea of handout motors for stock classes: 21.5 TC, USGT, USVTA, 17.5 12th scale and maybe leave super stock as it is. Get back to the brushed days where each race could be a different motor based on bids from the manufacturer.
The handout class at the US Indoor Champs worked great. It was a high quality motor that could be used after the race. The racing was very tight and was a lot of fun. I like the idea of handout motors for stock classes: 21.5 TC, USGT, USVTA, 17.5 12th scale and maybe leave super stock as it is. Get back to the brushed days where each race could be a different motor based on bids from the manufacturer.
03-13-2018, 08:14 PM
#30
I have mixed emotions about this. First, I think I am in need of a new 21.5 motor as mine is 18 months old. I think that running mod with any motor more or less evens the playing field as I can always tweak the ESC settings. The problem that I face my is that I really do not belong in Mod at the larger races unless there are B mains etc. To me it is not racing when I have to pull over from what I call the pro's as I want to exude driver etiquette. With Mod I can run any motor and wear tires more.....with 21.5 or 17.5 I have to buy motors and batteries more often..... I kinda like the idea of spec motors and also believe that it will level the playing field a little, but the cream will still rise to the top.
At a club race a guy was running a 17.5 motor and had the same times as good Mod racers. He pulled people down the straight and out accelerated them. Some guys are discouraged by this....
At a club race a guy was running a 17.5 motor and had the same times as good Mod racers. He pulled people down the straight and out accelerated them. Some guys are discouraged by this....