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Old 07-26-2018, 08:28 AM
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Well if you continue to use a motor you paid for over 1.5yrs ago at a big race lets assume your cutting yourself short on your finishing order.
No one set of rules will make everyone happy ... Theirs actually less resistance to go to handout than stay open so thats whats happening ... Folks need to be complaining to the manufactures that have been cheating there way into sales not the move to remove them (can am) . besides a handout motor is only 30-60 to own based on motor and track ... If racing against Porsche cars with your jetta is what you want to do just run mod ... You will lose for the same reason but can run what you currently have .
Btw how can you be faster than most with a 90%epa on a 21.5 and win ? Sounds like you might have a illegal motor already,no decent strait , or in the wrong class . why even run your car at 90% ... Your not even racing if your only pushing 90% . but thats for another topic
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Originally Posted by theproffesor View Post



How is allowing a handout to be taken home and only teched when cheating is suspected, different from the current way of doing things?

All motors are built to certian specified criteria, some are better than others for one of a dozen reasons. But are all essentially the same. They go through tech, and if outside those criteria, are not allowed.

Handout motors will will be no different. Some will be better than others out the box, and you can bet your ass, if someone gets a pig and is allowed to take it home, it will come back with lipstick on it.

All this can-am hand out crap MIGHT work at big races, and a few of the bigger clubs, but it will never work at the small tracks. Most can barely keep a guy willing to do tech and/or run the races. Who the hell is going to keep track of all these motors?

And if already cost me $100 entry PLUS the purchase of a set or two of the spec tires only available at the event, now I have to ďrentĒ a motor. So we are now possibly looking at $150-$200 PER CLASS to race, plus travel/hotel/food? Seems like a great business model to save entice more people to into the hobby 🤦🏻.

And tell me again how all this saves money? Iíve been running the same motors for over a year, and while I may not win every race, my car is on pace with anyone else on the track. Hell my 21.5 is set to 90% on the EPA and I still walk most of the field on the straight. Itís me, not the motor that keeps me off the top of the podium.

So so letís keep arguing about how to ďmake the racing closer and more fairĒ for everyone by focusing on one thing while we run our $800+ chassis, new $100 batteries every couple months, $100 high amp diachargers, 6 different bodies all mounted differently, one/two race day tires, untold amounts in pit accessories and tools, and kids will just keep buying cheap drones and playing fortnight instead.
I'm a little tired of talk about kids playing fortnite and flying drones. A kid will NOT race RC unless they love it, even if it was free! At least things like Fortnite teach them that for every winner there will be a lot of losers.

Also, turn your throttle back up to 100%. Its a 21.5, you can handle it.
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Old 07-26-2018, 09:21 AM
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Has there been progress with The Can Am series some of the tracks that I go to are still in the dark about what is taking place and if it is going to happen for the Fall
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Originally Posted by Lone Drifter View Post
Has there been progress with The Can Am series some of the tracks that I go to are still in the dark about what is taking place and if it is going to happen for the Fall
they have been posting far more on Facebook about their motor testing. Even some video.
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Old 07-26-2018, 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Lone Drifter View Post
Has there been progress with The Can Am series some of the tracks that I go to are still in the dark about what is taking place and if it is going to happen for the Fall
As one said above . maybe those guys need to stop playing fortnight and read rc tech or fb occasionally ... But whatever works for these unconnected tracks to stay open is key to them so.... It is what it is

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Old 07-26-2018, 09:59 AM
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Well the motor I run is the same motor that made it through tech at the Southern Nats last year so, if itís a cheater motor, itís an old one, and one that has been deemed legal in the past. I run at 90% because i dont get weekly track time and have found it takes the edge off. But, glad to see my inability to run WOA is what you focused on out of my whole statement, not actually answering how this is supposed to save money and lower cost in the long term. Way to belittle my ability to run a 21.5 at full speed in an attempt to discredit my opinion. And it will probably work too, as most people in this hobby follow the guy how wins like moths to flame, regardless of that individuals actaul knowledge on any given topic.

I cant take any of this seriously when I see the heaviest pushers of this idea are running some of the most expensive equipment out there otherwise.

Also, like I said in Facebook with a near identical post, why not actually call out these companies that have been accused of cheating, and ban their equipment from participating at events?
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Originally Posted by theproffesor View Post
Well the motor I run is the same motor that made it through tech at the Southern Nats last year so, if itís a cheater motor, itís an old one, and one that has been deemed legal in the past. I run at 90% because i dont get weekly track time and have found it takes the edge off. But, glad to see my inability to run WOA is what you focused on out of my whole statement, not actually answering how this is supposed to save money and lower cost in the long term. Way to belittle my ability to run a 21.5 at full speed in an attempt to discredit my opinion. And it will probably work too, as most people in this hobby follow the guy how wins like moths to flame, regardless of that individuals actaul knowledge on any given topic.

I cant take any of this seriously when I see the heaviest pushers of this idea are running some of the most expensive equipment out there otherwise.

Also, like I said in Facebook with a near identical post, why not actually call out these companies that have been accused of cheating, and ban their equipment from participating at events?
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I have heard the same, but I only run at 90% so what do I know?

So instead of just saying Trinity (and any others that may be ďcheating) wonít be allowed at these privately held events that essentially make up their own rules anyway, especially since this would be the second time in as many years that Trinity has done this (if true). We as an RC community decided to create an entirely new system and test processes. I cannot fathom how this is simpler, and easier than just telling a company to get it together or you donít get to play?
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To go fast in RC, you need three things: Luck, Talent, and Effort. The more you have of two of these, the less you need of the third, but at least two are required at all times. These days I chalk up "money spent" under the "Effort" category, I've seen guys spend a ton of cash and barely go any faster because they didn't spend the time to make the new parts mesh. It takes two to win at your local hobby shop, but it takes ALL THREE to win a big event.

Handout tires are great because in my opinion it saves a boatload of time for the racers, and I think that eventually handout motors for stock will do the same. I would not support a set gearing, however, but a locked timing value could be useful if it could be consistent and enforced.

I'm sorry to kick a dead horse but the edge on a 21.5? As sharp as a marshmallow.
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Whether itís 5 year olds, debates between political candidates, or the childishness that appears on this thread, as soon as the personal attacks come out, you loose all credibility and ability to make a sound argument for your position. So keep on poking at the fact I admitted to de-tuning a 21.5, really adds the strength of your stance.

FYI, my car at 90% was only .2 off of fast lap and top 15 from the leader.
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Old 07-26-2018, 10:55 AM
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This seems to be looked over by many, but Can-Am has not designated a specific wind to any class, like ROAR or many other sanctioning bodies do. In doing so, for example, USGT could end up with a 17.5 and a fixed FDR that performs similar to the current open ROAR approved 21.5. By doing that, the selected 17.5 would not reach its maximum potential. By not reaching its max potential, the minor differences between each motor in the class do not matter. Additionally, the motor does not get as hot because it's not performing to its limits. Level playing field.

No need to buy 2-3 high dollar motors hoping 1 passes tech. No need to buy different rotors trying to find the strongest one. Less cost.

The handout haters will cry about speedos and batteries, but the performance differences with speedos and batteries is nowhere near the issues we face with the current motor situation.

On a club level this has already been proven to work for at least 4 tracks. It is not hard for the race director to manage motor distribution and return each race day. It is not hard for the racer to be responsible enough to return their motor at the end of the day. Same way we used to do transponders before personals became the norm.

For sure this does not solve all the problems we might have with our hobby, but it addresses one certainly large issue.
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Originally Posted by theproffesor View Post
Whether it’s 5 year olds, debates between political candidates, or the childishness that appears on this thread, as soon as the personal attacks come out, you loose all credibility and ability to make a sound argument for your position. So keep on poking at the fact I admitted to de-tuning a 21.5, really adds the strength of your stance.

FYI, my car at 90% was only .2 off of fast lap and top 15 from the leader.
If it makes you faster, have at it dude.

Whats funny is I would love to see your radio and ESC. I don't know about everyone else but most ESC's that I have tend to have a "dwell" at the 100% throttle mark end. I wonder if the full throttle light turns on in your ESC when you go full on the radio, even with the setting at 90.

On the subject of money spent, RC has never been cheaper, and yet we have fewer dedicated hobbyists. The reasons why are too many to list here but the core way to promote RC is to keep it enjoyable to go racing.
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I have heard the same, but I only run at 90% so what do I know?

So instead of just saying Trinity (and any others that may be ďcheating) wonít be allowed at these privately held events that essentially make up their own rules anyway, especially since this would be the second time in as many years that Trinity has done this (if true). We as an RC community decided to create an entirely new system and test processes. I cannot fathom how this is simpler, and easier than just telling a company to get it together or you donít get to play?
Discuss this with me Sunday at SCRC....
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Originally Posted by R Dodge View Post
This seems to be looked over by many, but Can-Am has not designated a specific wind to any class, like ROAR or many other sanctioning bodies do. In doing so, for example, USGT could end up with a 17.5 and a fixed FDR that performs similar to the current open ROAR approved 21.5. By doing that, the selected 17.5 would not reach its maximum potential. By not reaching its max potential, the minor differences between each motor in the class do not matter. Additionally, the motor does not get as hot because it's not performing to its limits. Level playing field.

No need to buy 2-3 high dollar motors hoping 1 passes tech. No need to buy different rotors trying to find the strongest one. Less cost.

The handout haters will cry about speedos and batteries, but the performance differences with speedos and batteries is nowhere near the issues we face with the current motor situation.

On a club level this has already been proven to work for at least 4 tracks. It is not hard for the race director to manage motor distribution and return each race day. It is not hard for the racer to be responsible enough to return their motor at the end of the day. Same way we used to do transponders before personals became the norm.

For sure this does not solve all the problems we might have with our hobby, but it addresses one certainly large issue.
with all due respect, if you were buying 3 motors hoping to get one through inspection. You were part of a very small percentage of racers. Same for those that travel to big events. And great to read itís working at 4 tracks across the States. Thatís what about 100-150 people, givec or take regular turnout.

I havenít got the impression that those that are skeptical are ďhating on handoutsĒ. Just skeptical that this concept is going to instantly take over and replace the current methods. Iím all for finding a easier way to keep cost down. Though most of the guys Iíve met in my almost 2 years of racing donít spend crazy. Run the same motor. And donít travel. Few race at different tracks in the Chicagoland area. But not traveling out of state or across the country.

I think a lot of us need to see more. 4 tracks is great. Iíd think youíd see a more positive response if that number was 20,30 or up. Even if it was just a single ďhandout challenge classĒ.

Just my opioion as one of the newer racers here. And Iím still hesitant to call myself a ďracerĒ till I run at a track outside the local group.
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Discuss this with me Sunday at SCRC....

Who is this? And Iíve wonít be there this Sunday. Managed to get three weeks in a row, Iíll be lucky if I can get a chance to race in August.
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