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Old 03-19-2018, 05:49 PM
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Cleveland US Indoor Champs 21.5 sedan was handout and did not have a set fdr. Worked great and the racing was close.
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Old 03-19-2018, 08:03 PM
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with handout motors, what are we trying to do?...slow the cars down?...or get rid of the motor of the month?.....or make it easier for new racers?....

whats the plan?
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I think the idea is to level the playing field, eliminate motor of the month, and lower costs for the racers.
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Originally Posted by RBLove View Post
I think the idea is to level the playing field, eliminate motor of the month, and lower costs for the racers.
Exactly, I think I was a Trinity motor and a couple board taps from putting my 21.5 sedan in the A at the Nationals. This would help alleviate the "got to have" motor of the weekend.
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Originally Posted by DARKSIDE View Post
with handout motors, what are we trying to do?...slow the cars down?...or get rid of the motor of the month?.....or make it easier for new racers?....

whats the plan?
The way I see it, primarily get rid of the motor of the month. A secondary effect is prevent the class from getting too fast over time, to the point that there are discussions about needing to slow it down.
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Originally Posted by jiml View Post
Just curious, did switching to 25.5 increase the field size?
60 entries at the Indoor Champs in 17. Since 25.5 change the field grew from 25+(21.5) to 40 (25.5 first year) to 60. Extremely competitive also with the ROAR IR rule. Fastest 3 ran 22 laps in qualifying, the next 31 ran 21. That was on a low mid 14 second/lap track.
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Old 03-20-2018, 05:35 AM
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Cutting costs I think is the big thing here . cause it seems now that roar has set the legal limit of each motor manufacturers are now paying attention to the motors going out the door to customers . meaning at these large events there will be motor and more to fail tech causing us to spend even more money . trinity and R1 mostly but it seemed all but motiv had motors fail inspection at the roar nationals so that just means that there are a ton of hot motors floating around even at club level . there were countless over the counter motors failing tech from trinity and r1.
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so if its cost?...that's easy....don't buy the crazy high motors. Easier said than done?.... not really...Ive stated before that we are our own worst enemy. Just stop and look what we(racers) have done.... we created this issue and its up to us to solve it.

Don't spend that type of money knowing your fellow racers cant afford to do the same. Cause you are forcing them to spend what they don't have, or to quit all together. ROAR rules say $150 or under, heck shoot for less at your club...hey you want to run this or that,....any ROAR motor under $100...give or take $20 for taxes ect...

or you could do like a lot of us do and simply handicap your speed to be on par with others racing with you...Ive done it and others have done it for me.

Us racers must understand that we are all in this together. Yes we are "RACERS", but that doesn't mean nothing without somebody to race....help your slower/budget racers get up to speed without them dropping the new motor every 3 months. Show them how to get the older motor to peak speed with setup and practice....then slow your rocket down to make it competitive for you both.
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Here is an observation on the spec motors used in TOUR. They spec the Fantom for 17.5 car class and a Trinity equalizer for 21.5 truck. This is oval where they search for .01 second per lap advantage.
I asked a racer I now at the Snowbirds how many of those motors he bought per class to get the "one" he wanted. The answer was 5 of the Fantoms and about a dozen of the Trinity.
Think about that when you think that a racer owned "spec motor" is an answer.
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Originally Posted by old_dude View Post
Here is an observation on the spec motors used in TOUR. They spec the Fantom for 17.5 car class and a Trinity equalizer for 21.5 truck. This is oval where they search for .01 second per lap advantage.
I asked a racer I now at the Snowbirds how many of those motors he bought per class to get the "one" he wanted. The answer was 5 of the Fantoms and about a dozen of the Trinity.
Think about that when you think that a racer owned "spec motor" is an answer.
and racers with even more money will do far more...10, 20 or more motors to get 2 good ones
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And that's why one motor is key . if motors are checked like Paul does his the problem will disappear . a company makes a motor with a certain strenth rotor that is checked
A stator with a close ir between them and a adjustable sensor board they get assembled and set identical within 2 of timing (so they all have simular rpm) and use them for the event ... Just like stock wars. Boom after the race is over you can adjust the timing and run it at club level if that wind motor used is aloud
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Originally Posted by old_dude View Post
60 entries at the Indoor Champs in 17. Since 25.5 change the field grew from 25+(21.5) to 40 (25.5 first year) to 60. Extremely competitive also with the ROAR IR rule. Fastest 3 ran 22 laps in qualifying, the next 31 ran 21. That was on a low mid 14 second/lap track.
That's good to see, but I think the IIC is a bad example. That's a destination race, and I'm sure many racers used it as a second class. It would be better to see what is happening on the local level. Which someone in an earlier post said his club is seeing an increase as well.

So, next question, why is the 25.5 more popular? Is it because it's slower, or is it because of the tighter rules on these motors (Minimum IR)?
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trying to keep the cost down is stupid why worry about an expensive motor when guys are paying $500-$600 plus on kits already , is like buying a Corvette Z06 and then complaining about paying $3plus per gallon for premium gas

maybe spec motors/handout to keep the racing equal
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Old 03-20-2018, 08:18 AM
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The handout motors are there to limit the high rollers who get thier motors and equipment directly from the manufacturers .
If you have to buy 5-10 motors to get a good one that just proves the lack of tolerances that the manufacturers have,
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Originally Posted by Lone Drifter View Post
The handout motors are there to limit the high rollers who get thier motors and equipment directly from the manufacturers .
If you have to buy 5-10 motors to get a good one that just proves the lack of tolerances that the manufacturers have,
eliminate any sponsor racer from any spec class ,
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