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Old 03-30-2018, 12:15 AM
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How about the side spings and tubes on aspalt track whith medium grip?
The hardness of the springs and the oils used on the tubes.
How far would you go to get it to be stable, and on the other hand still have a good amount of steering.
I must use the Volante ETS tires.
Greetings, Joop Voorn.
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Guys: For those of you racing on pavement. Be sure to learn your esc and radio adjustments well. Things like "softening and punch" can be tuned so that the diff is tight and the car accelerates without wheel spin. Drive frequencies also help. For braking don't forget the ABS settings in your radio. All of these become important on slippery surfaces for getting the car launched and slowed down.
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I've been using transmitter servo speed adjustment on throttle with good results. -20 to -40 slows the response coming out of corners.
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Yes I'm an old dog that has learned new tricks!! The drag brake on your ESC is a very affective tuning mod--then you can use your transmitter to adjust for push braking too! I don't use the punch softening because I've got an educated finger--and there are times I want to really grab the throttle -- but those are all good tuning tips for asphalt where bite can be at a minimum!
As far as shock oils and springs those tend to be a little "Car" dependent to what chassis you are running. Find out what the local "Fast Guys" are using and go there first--then adjust to your needs!

I have an old Tekin Pro ESC--I have the "drag brake" set at MAX---then my push brake I adjust to where the rear wheels will NOT lock up or spin the car on corner entry. The trans then has an adjustment I can use on the fly too to alter how much push braking I get.
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Originally Posted by JoJo1241
How about the side spings and tubes on aspalt track whith medium grip?
The hardness of the springs and the oils used on the tubes.
How far would you go to get it to be stable, and on the other hand still have a good amount of steering.
I must use the Volante ETS tires.
Greetings, Joop Voorn.
I would go with heavier side dampening, start with 20 - 30K fluid. You may even be able to go higher. Link cars usually need a little more dampening. T bar cars (like Tamiya) can be lower, like 7 or 10K.

Quick way to see which direction to go: run the car, then pop the tubes off. If the car gets better, go lighter. If the car is worse, go heavier.

Springs, I would start on the soft end of the spectrum to start, but some of this will depend on the tire. You can kind of manipulate the rotation to stability ratio by going to lighter (rotation) or heavier (stability) oil with the same spring. Like wise, a stiffer side spring may have a more direct feel off center, but should be more stable feeling, until you go hard enough that car car starts to slide. In general, I like a softer spring and try to go heavier on the oil if you need to calm the car down, as well as add preload.

Cuda side spring method, aimed at carpet, but do the same thing on asphalt looking for rotation and /or stability:
Originally Posted by F N CUDA
A fast guy taught me how to play with the side sorings on my carpet car.

Start with medium stiffness spring just touching with car sitting at ride height then screw them down 2 turns preload.
Drive car, rear wheel lifting? Too stiff, back off spring preload 1 turn.
Still lifting? go to lighter spring and start again, 2 turns preload etc.

If/when front wheels lifting, side springs too light, go back the other way.

So basically, turning the preload no more than 2 turns up or down tells me when to go to a different spring

This worked well for me

Now when it grip rolls it's both wheels lifting at the same time.
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Originally Posted by robk
BTW, this is a good thread. Lots of good ideas being passed around here. This is turning into a nice resource for everyone.
It's all we have since you refuse to update your blog!
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Originally Posted by JayL
It's all we have since you refuse to update your blog!
I didn't want to go there, but I'm glad you did.
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Originally Posted by robk
BTW, this is a good thread. Lots of good ideas being passed around here. This is turning into a nice resource for everyone.

Yes indeed, would be great if a wiki is created at the start of the thread - as is in the 1/12 one.
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Originally Posted by sbd
Yes indeed, would be great if a wiki is created at the start of the thread - as is in the 1/12 one.
Ok, I can do that. Good idea

maybe. no idea how
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Yes sir,
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Originally Posted by robk
BTW, this is a good thread. Lots of good ideas being passed around here. This is turning into a nice resource for everyone.
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Off topic but ugh. Work is relo’ing me to San Diego and will be losing my nice 20 minute away track. I see some of you are in SoCal. I don’t mind a drive but could someone Pm me a good place to race F1s? Thx.....
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Originally Posted by JoJo1241
How about the side spings and tubes on aspalt track whith medium grip?
The hardness of the springs and the oils used on the tubes.
How far would you go to get it to be stable, and on the other hand still have a good amount of steering.
I must use the Volante ETS tires.
Greetings, Joop Voorn.
Don't know your car brand but..

Start with 100k in tube and Xray gold side springs.

These tires really need crazy setup
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Originally Posted by nicoo2k4
Don't know your car brand but..

Start with 100k in tube and Xray gold side springs.

These tires really need crazy setup
I have a VBC Fx18
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I am somewhat new to F1, been racing it when I can for about 6 months. I've noticed that my driving style is soooo different than any other car that I've driven. It's all about nice swooping corners (so you can keep the speed up). Not so much of POINT AND SHOOT like 1/12 scale and TC. I don't really run any drag brake, just kind of "blip" the brake if needed, seems to slow the car down just enough to make the corner. Lately I've been running 2 degrees toe out also (1 degree per side), and checking it after every race, that has helped tremendously. Of course this is for the black carpet, I have never run the F1 on asphalt.
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Originally Posted by mstrfahrenheit
Off topic but ugh. Work is reloíing me to San Diego and will be losing my nice 20 minute away track. I see some of you are in SoCal. I donít mind a drive but could someone Pm me a good place to race F1s? Thx.....
Get your butt to the Tamiya track for practice and fun on Saturdays while it is still available to us.
Of course you need a Tamiya F1, TC, Mini, Euro truck, TT 02 etc... to do that but it's free to practice, the track and the people are great.
It'll be gone after August.

Cal Raceway is only a little further north than Tamiya track but is also a nice place to race, TQ RC Raceway is a nice black carpet track about the same distance from San Diego also.

Unsure what is in San Diego for Onroad or carpet but there is also Offroad available down there.
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