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Old 02-04-2006, 07:57 AM   #76
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Well i work for a company manufacturing conveyors, hoppers, cabinets etc for the food/chemical industry. Sheet metal worker is my job title. We used to make buckets that afixed to a very very large machine that used to dispense a certain amount of product into a bag or whatever. Each one of these buckets was pretty complicated about 35 hours work in total.

We no longer make these buckets because they are being made in china for half the price. I have seen one that has been made in china and they are of better quality than we can produce also. Ive also heard (not being sexist) that its women who are actually making these. I am guessing they are being paid hardly anything but are producing a top quality product that we just cant match.

I am not really on top of politics but to me this just shows that most engineering/manufacturing jobs over here are dieing. (UK)
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Well i work for a company manufacturing conveyors, hoppers, cabinets etc for the food/chemical industry. Sheet metal worker is my job title. We used to make buckets that afixed to a very very large machine that used to dispense a certain amount of product into a bag or whatever. Each one of these buckets was pretty complicated about 35 hours work in total.

We no longer make these buckets because they are being made in china for half the price. I have seen one that has been made in china and they are of better quality than we can produce also. Ive also heard (not being sexist) that its women who are actually making these. I am guessing they are being paid hardly anything but are producing a top quality product that we just cant match.

I am not really on top of politics but to me this just shows that most engineering/manufacturing jobs over here are dieing. (UK)
Well..... sorry to hear that. Too bad our world economy is based on capitalism.

Demand, Supply, Equilibrium, Comparative Advantage are capitalist's ingridients to run the world economy.

Look at bright side..... capitalist is better than communist
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.....I can drive a new Bmw and live in a $200Khouse and still have plenty of money left over for things like RC racing and saving some for retirement also.
Is that a BMW made in your home state of South Carollina or is that one that is made in Germany?

BTW, this all got started from someone talking about a topdeck for his XRAY which is made in "SLOVAKIA"!!!! So why aren't we all talking about how we should be buying more FT TC4s and Losi JRX-Ss? Huh?? Aren't we all guilty of not buying American?

But then again even with those kits, how much of it is outsourced from overseas? Tony can you help answer this?

As an American consumer I can complain like all of you about the world economy but what can I do about where my purchasing dollars go? It seems that we can't control the forces of economy any more than we can control the forces of nature.
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I am not trying to argue with you because I too used to be in the manufacturing field. However, you can't stop free trade. Yes, we will lose these jobs to competitive out sourcing from China and throughout Asia. But look at it this way, we also lost many jobs domestically to cheap labor coming from across the border.

Are these the jobs we want?
Yes. The common falsehood, that these are jobs Americans to not want, does not ring true. There are a lot of jobs that are fine, but who wants to work for minimum wage or less? Especially less than minimum wage. Besides, you will notice a fair amount of immigrant workers in construction trades. Those are good paying jobs, or they were. But when the average guy was getting for example, $20 an hour, and these other guys say hey we'll do it for $7, all the sudden it's a job nobody wants. Not that you'll necessarily get the same results. I know you wouldn't if they are non union. (ready your horrible union labor stories ) If someone comes in and depresses wages, no matter how it is accompished, it serves no one but the interest of the owner/corporation. If you want a good idea of what is happening, read a book called Turbo Capitalism by Edward N. Luttwak. To paraphrase on passage in the book, he mentioned that a country's economy should work for the people. Today, the people work for the economy. As long as the stock market looks good, who cares how you are living.


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We all should strive for jobs that are better than that which can not be replaced by cheap labor or even worse, a machine. So bye, bye, labor intensive, long hours, lousy pay with no benefits, poor environment job. Please take it and make some good cheap products so that I may spend the paycheck from my IT, Biotech, high tech job and buy twice to maybe three times more of everything cheap labor makes.
I hope you have noticed all the foriegn workers in high tech fields being hired these days. Companies love foriegn workers on visas, as they are more docile, and have more to lose than the Americans. Not that they have to bring them to America, did you know Microsoft has built a TOWN in India for the programmers they have hired there? Or that IBM (and I am sure others) has begun a practice of 24 hour programming, where the work is moved electronically around the globe, becoming cheaper as it moves east? The promise of those who promoted our service economy, that the high paying, high tech jobs would be ours, was just a dream. Besides, the real money is made in finance. American kids who don't care about engineering or science aren't dumb, they just know there's money in money.
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Old 02-04-2006, 01:44 PM   #81
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I think that Lost cars look ugly and arms that say GRAPHITE on them look cheezy, thats one reason that I get Tamiya cars, they are built nice and look good to, just like X-Ray, Kyosho, Serpent, Mugen and some HPI...Ofna, Cen, Losi...all look cheap, IMO.
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I think that Lost cars look ugly and arms that say GRAPHITE on them look cheezy, thats one reason that I get Tamiya cars, they are built nice and look good to, just like X-Ray, Kyosho, Serpent, Mugen and some HPI...Ofna, Cen, Losi...all look cheap, IMO.
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"NOT TRUE But you're intitle to your on opinion." (I can't find the Quote option)

Thats what makes the world go around and thats why there are more than one type of car...so every one is happy. Once I posted that I knew I had to get ready...
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perfect example of what i am saying is,i had a local R/C company come to me to quote on making aluminum T maxx wheel,i quoted him $8.00 each for qty of 100 pc.his target selling price was $44.99 per pair.this is plenty of profit if you ask me for doing nothing but making a phone call.well,he decided to get them from china for $2.50 per pair.he is still selling them for $44.99.I couldnt even get the material for that price!!this in my eyes is just greed and it will catch up with him

Companies and customers are getting greedy. China WILL be the next super power while Americans get fat and lazy. Funny how history repeats it's self. Just like the Roman empire. While America becomes more Secular, it's hurting us. America needs to turn back to God....bottom line. Why can't people understand that sin is the underlinging problem of any society? This great country was founded on Christianity.
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Old 02-04-2006, 05:25 PM   #85
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Budweiser and all A-B products are the only American Owned Beer company...Drink that and help the Economy...
There are 13 American owned beer companies in the county I live in alone.
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....... Just like the Roman empire. While America becomes more Secular, it's hurting us. America needs to turn back to God....bottom line. Why can't people understand that sin is the underlinging problem of any society? This great country was founded on Christianity.
Absolutely...... Money can be good and evil depend on individuals. That's why US dollar is printed "In God We Trust" to remain us good
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Chaps, it's not what you do, it is the question of if you add any value for the customer. Can you make a Harley Davidson?, no. Paying the guys at Harley to make a bike means they add value to the raw marterial, and you pay them to do that. Furthermore, because Harley are the only people in the world who make a real Harley, you can earn money from overseas too, for adding the value.

The salesman argument is bunk! The salesman is adding no value whatsoever. You can buy your Harley on the Internet, from a shop, from a friend or from Harley. Harley can sell spares over the 'Net, and a mechanic (who adds value because he has skills (adds value) you don't have) trained by Harley can service the bike.

If you think about USA as your house, it's like Dad makes Harleys and sells them to Mum. If the family can breed cattle, and plant food, and collect rainwater, then they can live on the fact that their 'money' just goes around the house. However, if Dad can sell a Harley to the man down the street, then money comes in from outside the house, expenses stay the same, and the house makes a profit.

Similarly, if you need a new table or chair, and you have to buy it from the man down the street, money has gone out of your house and you can't replace it. Mum can't buy as many Harleys from Dad, because she had to spend it on the table from the guy down the street.

The problem with Honda and Toyota is not that they don't provide jobs, but that they take their money out of the house altogether, and use it elsewhere. The money you paid for your Toyota was used to build another factory in another country, for example, so the profit is not being used to your benefit, but for someone else's.

If Mum makes burgers, and sells them to little Johnnie, he can only afford to buy them if he works for Mum flipping burgers, or for Dad making Harleys. If Dad can sell Harleys to the man down the street, the the new money comes into the house, and some is spent on burgers - everyone gains. But, the house can't make any money if it sells burgers to everyone in the house who is paid for flipping the burgers!

That is why China and Japan became so rich, because they made things other people wanted, and lots of money came into their house. And it is our money!! I do hope there are no economists on this thread, because this is a truly simplistic explanation. I also hope it gets the point across - you can only make money as a country by making things other people want, and exporting them. Otherwise, you have to borrow money from other people to get the house maintained, and that what has turned the USA into the biggest debtor nation on Earth.

Service economies are fine, as long as there are people earning money from outside the house to pay for the services. Some service economies can export (Switzerland makes a living out of keeping other peoples money, and India is the home of many European call centres) and some have very specialist skills (the New York and London financial centres) that earn money abroad. By and large, service economies are poor economies (Switzerland has a thriving machine tool industry, and India a thriving manufacturing industry) so that is why we should buy products from 'home'.

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Still, some of the money taken "out of the house" comes back into the house, just through a different door.

Boeing is an american company, and they sell BIllions of dollars of aircraft all around the world. Also, microsoft..

Outsourcing is going to level off soon. As the wages of workers in other nations catch up to our own, it won't be econimical in terms of price and time to outsource to these places. Anyone who deals with manufacturing companies in other countries knows about the time issue. They don't deliver all that fast in most cases. And, you have customs to deal with, etc..etc..
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Companies and customers are getting greedy. China WILL be the next super power while Americans get fat and lazy. Funny how history repeats it's self. Just like the Roman empire. While America becomes more Secular, it's hurting us. America needs to turn back to God....bottom line. Why can't people understand that sin is the underlinging problem of any society? This great country was founded on Christianity.
While this thread has been walking a fine line I think you just crossed it.
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Companies and customers are getting greedy. China WILL be the next super power while Americans get fat and lazy. Funny how history repeats it's self. Just like the Roman empire. While America becomes more Secular, it's hurting us. America needs to turn back to God....bottom line. Why can't people understand that sin is the underlinging problem of any society? This great country was founded on Christianity.

China is full of godless communists.
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RcKnight, didnt cross a line. What he said was right on the money.
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