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Old 08-31-2017, 05:15 PM
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Default Tlr 22 4.0 or AE B6 for turf?

For anyone that had the opportunity to test out both these cars on turf, what did you end up with and why.
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I had a 22 3.0 and gave up on it for carpet. Now have a B6 and love it. Keep in mind the 22 4.0 doesn't come with a gear diff and the front hexes are not standard offset. This means you can't use schumacher pre mounts. Maybe not a big deal to you but those would make me lean to the B6 - even if performance was the same. I will say the shocks are higher quality on the TLR. Alum shock caps, machined internals and machined pistons - all upgrades I paid extra for on the B6.
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For anyone that had the opportunity to test out both these cars on turf, what did you end up with and why.
I have both for turf.....the 4.0 jumps better. The B6 is easier to drive faster. It is a coin toss. What you get with the 4.0..... Frank Root. AE......h,mm,mm.

I run the 4.0 more frequently
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Felt the same way about clay. Throw the rb6.6 in there for the same comparison. Little faster corner speed and aggressiveness. Hard to ignore the tlr ability to recover from flat landings etc by the tlr. I'd rather get the tlr to be more aggressive than vice versa

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I have both for turf.....the 4.0 jumps better. The B6 is easier to drive faster. It is a coin toss. What you get with the 4.0..... Frank Root. AE......h,mm,mm.

I run the 4.0 more frequently
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If I was gonna run it in 17.5T stock then I would go with Losi's SR option to save a small fortune in lightened parts
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It's going to be for mod.
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For turf or carpet its not even a question. You will need at least 100.00 worth
of parts just to get the losi in high grip trim, that's before you even add tuning
options like weight plates and low mount ball studs. The wonky wheel offset
guaranties you will never see them run at EOS so no new high grip setups except
for the couple times a year Frank or Jr run a carpet track.

The 4.0 is a fine car but the fact that they are not offering a dedicated artificial
surface car says they either don't care or there marketing dept is asleep at the wheel.

The B6 comes with a gear diff, carpet specific springs out of the box and is
cheaper. Yes you will prob want the aluminum D plate and the car is 20 to 40
grams under weight depending on your electronics so to be fair you could say
you need weight plates. Add to that the endless flow of high grip development
coming from Europe.

There is a good reason the B6s and YZ2s pretty much dominate the American
Turf/carpet scene.
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B6 ASC90011 279.99
D plate ASC91688 14.44
Steel weight ASC91747 10.99
Steel weight ASC91748 11.99

Total 317.41

22 4.0 TLR03013 329.99
Gear Diff TLR332067 69.99
AE purple spring ASC91334 4.99
AE Gray Spring ASC91338 4.99
Sct Alum camber block TLR2062 24.49

Total 434.45
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What wonky wheel set?

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For turf or carpet its not even a question. You will need at least 100.00 worth
of parts just to get the losi in high grip trim, that's before you even add tuning
options like weight plates and low mount ball studs. The wonky wheel offset
guaranties you will never see them run at EOS so no new high grip setups except
for the couple times a year Frank or Jr run a carpet track.

The 4.0 is a fine car but the fact that they are not offering a dedicated artificial
surface car says they either don't care or there marketing dept is asleep at the wheel.

The B6 comes with a gear diff, carpet specific springs out of the box and is
cheaper. Yes you will prob want the aluminum D plate and the car is 20 to 40
grams under weight depending on your electronics so to be fair you could say
you need weight plates. Add to that the endless flow of high grip development
coming from Europe.

There is a good reason the B6s and YZ2s pretty much dominate the American
Turf/carpet scene.
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Originally Posted by JsK View Post
B6 ASC90011 279.99
D plate ASC91688 14.44
Steel weight ASC91747 10.99
Steel weight ASC91748 11.99

Total 317.41

22 4.0 TLR03013 329.99
Gear Diff TLR332067 69.99
AE purple spring ASC91334 4.99
AE Gray Spring ASC91338 4.99
Sct Alum camber block TLR2062 24.49

Total 434.45
thanks for breaking this down, I was just going over one of the setup sheets for Losi and I can see how these costs will quickly run up for turf:
http://www.tlracing.com/ProdInfo/Fil...2017-07-25.pdf
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What wonky wheel set?
Wheel OFFset. The losi uses an inboard offset front and are not legal width with the
Schumacher handouts EOS uses.
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They do, if you add the high roll center hangers. However does Associated have this optionality either thru new pills or revised hangers? One could just run with existing pills. I'm glad they have HRC stuff but would have been happier if they did this via pills instead of buying new hangers

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thanks for breaking this down, I was just going over one of the setup sheets for Losi and I can see how these costs will quickly run up for turf:
http://www.tlracing.com/ProdInfo/Fil...2017-07-25.pdf
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Jsk - think this review brings up some good points but may be a little heavy handed. Even if Frank Root only gets to drive carpet once in a blue moon I heard he set the fast laps at that track. And the gen1 kit was designed at its price point to hit all surfaces. Plus it's an emphasis first on the US market, which is a laydown clay car market .... Buggy has a lot more tuning options much like an X-ray. Actually more with the 2wd. I'm interested in hearing more that have driven both. Jury is still out on carpet but my opinion as having had owned the b6, 2 Xb2's and 3 rb6.6's it's a superior car in the way its just stuck out of the box. The setups online are setup for tame steering. There's a lot of options to get the buggy much more aggressive largely undiscovered


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For turf or carpet its not even a question. You will need at least 100.00 worth
of parts just to get the losi in high grip trim, that's before you even add tuning
options like weight plates and low mount ball studs. The wonky wheel offset
guaranties you will never see them run at EOS so no new high grip setups except
for the couple times a year Frank or Jr run a carpet track.

The 4.0 is a fine car but the fact that they are not offering a dedicated artificial
surface car says they either don't care or there marketing dept is asleep at the wheel.

The B6 comes with a gear diff, carpet specific springs out of the box and is
cheaper. Yes you will prob want the aluminum D plate and the car is 20 to 40
grams under weight depending on your electronics so to be fair you could say
you need weight plates. Add to that the endless flow of high grip development
coming from Europe.

There is a good reason the B6s and YZ2s pretty much dominate the American
Turf/carpet scene.

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At the track in my area, pretty much all pro drivers are running in the mod class and the Losi 22-4.0 took 1st and 2nd while a 22-3.0 took 4th... XRay took the #3 spot and folks are welcome to look up the rest of the drivers to see what brands they run, not sure if there were any Associated guys running this week in mod, but depending on driver skill typically determines the winner, I think all brands across the board are about equally competitive at our local turf track where most folks are running about the same fast lap times irrespective of brand:
Thornhill Racing Circuit :: Thornhill Jr 9/2/17 :: Mod 2wd Buggy A-Main :: LiveRC
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Originally Posted by JsK View Post
B6 ASC90011 279.99
D plate ASC91688 14.44
Steel weight ASC91747 10.99
Steel weight ASC91748 11.99

Total 317.41

22 4.0 TLR03013 329.99
Gear Diff TLR332067 69.99
AE purple spring ASC91334 4.99
AE Gray Spring ASC91338 4.99
Sct Alum camber block TLR2062 24.49

Total 434.45

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