CC MMP vs Sidewinder SV3
Did some drag racing on my Rustler vs my brother's p4de. Rustler has CC Sidewinder 3+4600kv geared for 57mph on 3s 5000mah 25c and p4de has CC Mamba Max Pro +4600kv geared for 64mph on 3s 5000mah 35c. Due to 4wd inefficiency and a more aerodynamic body (Bandit body) I was the faster of the two. We're geared pretty conservatively bc we're not built for just straight line runs. I'll list our setups below and then I'll list our temps and voltages after the 7runs.
4wd E-Jato 20/54 32p with stock 3.92 internal ratio Mamba Max Pro with castle 4600kv motor Traxxas aluminum motor mount Passive cooling: Bastens aluminum heatsink Active cooling: Integy heatsink with dual fan Arctic Silver Ceramique 2 Associated XP ds1015 steering servo (201,.108) Front: Blue Losi 3.8lb/in 2" Front spring Rear: Blue Losi 4.1lb/in 2.5" spring B3 front/C4 Rear shock mounts 45wt/50wt shock oil Shocks: stock Ultra shocks STRC aluminum shock caps Front/rear preload: 14mm front/12mm rear Front/Rear Shocks lowered: 0/1lrg limiter Hard front sway bar midway to pivot point Hard rear sway bar farthest from pivot point Proline Protrac kit (18mm widening) Hot Racing 25mm aluminum wide kit Aluminum 30 degree caster blocks Front toe in: 1 degree Rear toe in: stock 1.5 degrees Front camber links Long/Angled on position 4 Rear Camber link: shortest/parallel on position 1 Traxxas Anaconda 2.8 Tires 30k/slipper setting half turn out/30k Traxxas aluminum bearing adaptor Jato 3.3 body 1.25oz lead weight on bumper Floureon Lipo battery monitor Traxxas wheelie bar Steering expo @25% Throttle expo @zero% Steering dual rate @100% Sub-trim: 0% Right Steering end point @130% Left Steering end point @130% AVC: 35% ST/35%TH/85% Priority MMP ESC Settings: Black and White wires switched 1.Forward/brake/Reverse, 2.Brakes 50%, 3.Reverse speed 25%, 4.Punch control level 1.High, 5.Drag brake zero, 6.Start power Medium, 7.Voltage cutoff Auto, 8.Motor timing Low(0 degrees), 9.Motor type Brushless Venom 3s 5000 35C Front/Rear track width: 14.3"/14.3" Rustler XL-5 transformed 19/83 48p gearing Castle Creations 4600kv Castle Creations SV3 with fan Passive cooling:(2) Bastens aluminum heatsinks with Arctic Silver Ceramique 2 Associated XP ds1015 steering servo (201,.108) Front: Black Losi 4.1lb/in 2" front spring Rear: Stock Rustler 2.9lb/in 2.5" rear spring B2/B4 shock mounts 50wt/35wt oil Stock Traxxas Ultra shocks Front shock shaft titanium-nitride coated Front/Rear Preload: 8mm front/14mm rear Front/Rear Shocks lowered: 2sml/1lrg2sml Front/Rear droop: 11mm/1mm RPM wide mod STRC Front shock tower STRC Rear shock tower Front: Long Camber Link setting Rear: High roll center setting Toe: 1 degree toe-out/-1.5 degrees Camber: -2/.5 degrees RPM bumper upside-down Traxxas aluminum bulkhead Traxxas aluminum 30 degree caster block Traxxas aluminum front hub carrier Traxxas aluminum bellcrank Nitro 4-Tec 1.5 degree rear stub carrier Bandit body 1.5oz lead weight in bulkhead 1.25oz lead weight on bumper Tires: Proline Dirt Hawgs/Proline Dirt Hawgs Temperature and Voltage Telemetry Traxxas wheelie bar with rubber wheels Slipper setting: 1/2 turn out Steering sensitivity @25.2% Throttle expo @zero% Steering dual rate @100% Sub-trim: 0% Right Steering end point @84.8% Left Steering end point @100% Throttle EPA: 100% Brake EPA: 75.2% Brakes @80% TSM setting: 50% ESC setting: 1.Forward/brake/Reverse, 2.Brakes 50%, 3.Reverse speed 25%, 4.Punch control level 1.High, 5.Drag brake zero, 6.Dead Band Normal(.1ms), 7.Voltage cutoff Auto, 8.Motor timing Lowest(0 degrees), 9.Motor type Brushless Traxxas 3s 5000mah 25C Front/Rear track width: 13.6"/13.3" Ride Height: 27mm/27mm Both of our ESC settings are the same. The batteries are almost the same. I may have the better tires but he has 4wd. Our slippers are also set the same. But here's the differences: Temps: Outside temp was 79 degrees P4de with MMP ESC: 105 degrees F Motor:109 degrees F Battery: ~90 degrees Rustler with Sidewinder ESC: 110 degrees F Motor: 115 degrees F Battery: ~90 degrees Battery Voltages left: P4de: 11.5v Rustler: 11.9v So in a heavier, less efficient system the MMP system ran cooler. I'm assuming the motor on the p4de ran cooler too bc of the dual fan+dual heatsink. Of course my Rustler had less amperage draw bc it's more efficient being 2wd, was more aerodynamic, and has lower gearing (higher gear ratio of 11.88 vs 10.584). This may not be a Rustler vs Rustler comparison but you can easily see the Mamba Max Pro is much better than the Sidewinder 3 |
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