Go Back  R/C Tech Forums > General Forums > Electric Off-Road
Tekno RC EB410 Thread >

Tekno RC EB410 Thread

Community
Wiki Posts
Search
Like Tree2421Likes

Tekno RC EB410 Thread

    Hide Wikipost
Old 05-13-2019, 06:33 AM   -   Wikipost
R/C Tech ForumsThread Wiki: Tekno RC EB410 Thread
Please read: This is a community-maintained wiki post containing the most important information from this thread. You may edit the Wiki once you have been a member for 90 days and have made 90 posts.
 
Last edit by: tobamiester
Welcome to the EB410 Wiki page.

Basic Stats/Features:
  • Shaft drive (tapered AL for light weight and straightness)
  • Gear differentials (all 3)
  • Low Angle CVAs (with captured pins so no ejecting them!)
  • Durable stub axles with 12mm hexes and optional offset adjustments
  • Reverse bellcrank steering system
  • Quick access bulkheads (for easy diff maintenance and tuning)
  • Spllt center diff holder (for easy diff maintenance and tuning)
  • 8th scale style motor mount (for easy mesh adjustment)
  • 13mm big bore shocks
  • 3.5mm shock shafts
  • Droop screws

Videos
Servo Horns
Tekno included a plastic servo horn but also offers an aluminum one. This is highly recommended. Here's a list of servo horns that have been found to work:
Gearing:
Works out of the box for mod or 13.5.
  • Preference for Associated factory team pinions
  • Start mod gearing around 21t pinion
  • Start 13.5 gearing around 29t pinion with the stock spur (81tooth). If using a Tekin Spec R 13.5, start with a 24t pinion for medium sized indoor tracks.
  • Internal Gear Ratio: 2.5:1
  • For comparison:
  • B64 is 2.47:1
  • 22-4 is 2.4:1
  • YZ4 is 2.6:1

Wheels
  • B6/22/rb6 wheels direct fit
  • 22-4/XB4 front wheels direct fit
  • B64 front wheels will fit, but you need the +1 hexes (can use #TKR1654X, which is a +1mm hex)
  • 22 2wd front wheels will also fit, possibly a good option for carpet.

Setup Sheets and other documentation
Setup sheets for all Tekno RC vehicles can be found here. Please be sure to try our recommended setup. It works very well on most tracks.
Piston Drills:
Some of our setups recommend using pistons that are enlarged. For instance 4x1.9 or 3x2.0. To drill the pistons we recommend the following:
Aftermarket Upgrades:
Warranty Policy:
Tekno RC is the only company in the industry that will give 50% off of parts if returned to them using the General Warranty return policy found on their website. The parts can be lightly used or completely abused, as long as the part is still being produced it's covered!


Build Tips:
  • When fastening the steering posts with a 5.5mm socket wrench, you can back space the socket with some nuts to help drive the post into the bulk head

  • Place an alcohol swab over metal threads and drive screws through the swab to clean both sides of threads before applying thread lock

  • Use a metallic marker to indicate what fluids you have filled in your diffs for easy identification

  • Apply thin layer of grease on crown gears to help hold gaskets in place for easy hole alignment

  • Bags F and H have 2 different size set screws, be sure to use the smaller 3x3mm screws for the hexes or you may run into problems installing wheels over the hex if you use the longer 3x4mm screws
  • To make is easier to slip the o-rings on the shock cap bleeder screws, apply a drop of shock oil and slip them over a 1.5mm hex bit, then line up the bit with the screw and transfer the o-ring over using fingernails or needle nose pliers
  • pinch+rotate shock caps in 17mm hex wrench to improve roundness
    More shock build tips here
  • Use a 3.05mm drill bit or 3.05mm Kyosho arm reamer, 1/8" drill bits are not recommended because they are 3.17mm in diameter and tend to introduce too much slop, the pins are roughly 2.97mm in diameter
  • Replace the stock 3x14mm screws (TKR1405) with 3x20mm screws (TKR1409) in step H-10 in the manual in order to increase durability to the bulkhead.

  • When installing the front and rear differentials into the bulkheads be careful when tightening the 3x8mm screws of the cover that holds the diff in place. Bottom out the screws first (use a hand driver and make it hand tight) then check the diff to make sure it rotates smooth. If it binds up, start by backing out each screw 1/8-1/4 of a turn until the both front and rear diffs move freely. The plastic threads will keep the screws in place so don't worry if you think the screws are not secure.
  • When installing the steering hub kingpins (TKR6596), drive each one in hand tight only. Then check the movement of the steering hub. If it binds up, back out the kingpin screws by 1/8-1/4 of a turn until it moves freely. Then install the set screws (TKR1601) to hold it in place. Only drive the set screw in until you make contact with the kingpin. Do not force it.
  • If using the low profile servo mount, be sure to use smaller OD (outter diameter) washers to avoid rubbing on the center drive shaft. Protek ball stud washers are a good example of the acceptable diameter. You can chose to not run washers though it is recommended to use them as it makes for a more secure mount.

  • Ball Cup Alternative from AE: ASC91453. These are used as a harder composite option if you are not happy with the softer stock plastics. Note that these are approximately 2-3mm shorter and require compensation when building your kit to the manual specs to achieve proper camber/toe settings


  • Wheel Nut Alternative: Yokomo 4mm Thin Aluminum Serrated Flanged Nut

    https://www.amainhobbies.com/yokomo-...-n4flt/p541494


  • Moving Rear Shocks to the Front of the A-arm

    This is the break down of what's required by one of the Eb410 FB users.

    Joey A.

    So since there has been some people wondering about running the shocks in the front of the arm I though I would try explaining everything that I did to get them to work and why. My goal was to run as much stock stuff as possible with the least amount of modifications.

    -Arms- need to be flipped and 1mm shaved off the back (spacing the arm farther back) running it this way the car is still a mm shorter then stock but more material could be removed for more adjustability but I have found no need to make the car longer.

    -Inner ball stud- there are 2 ways of mounting, the first can be used with the stock plastic tower. All you need to do is use a 10mm ball stud instead of the lower shock mount screw and a little clearance from the shock tower and diff case. Using this method will work but the ball stud is moved lower and farther in then the stock locations which requires different pivot locations to try and correct roll centers. The other way (preferred) using the option carbon tower drill a hole higher and farther out if done properly you will be able to get the ball stud location in the correct hight(0mm) and between the two stock locations.

    -Shocks- only 2 changes from stock you will need to space the top shock mount 2mm out. You will also need to run around 1.5-2mm less droop depending on your setup.

    -Sway bar- this is the hardest part of the swap. This can be done a million ways I chose to print a mount in the stock ball stud location which allowed me to use the stock swaybars and arm mounting position. You can also bend your own bar and use the stock mounts on the back. You will have to drill your arms on the other side and closer to the pivot for this to work (remember you will need a thinner bar the closer you mount the lower pickup on the arm to get the same feeling as stock).

    -Other- you will need to remove the drop screws on the rear arm. Depending on rear rims,hubs,ballcups and setup you might need to clearance the outer ball cup so it doesn’t rub on the wheel.

    -Why- the benefits of running the shocks in the front are the ability to run a softer rear shock package without giving up corner speed and pack. The car will land without chassis slapping or packing out as easy allowing you to drive the car harder and it corners flatter and rotates faster without losing rear grip.

    Sorry for the shity grammar,
    TJR

    Sway bar mount for forward mounted shocks: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Tekno-EB410...4AAOSwYNxahFkq

Print Wikipost

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 10-06-2018, 07:21 PM
  #4666  
Tech Champion
iTrader: (33)
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Austin,TX
Posts: 6,192
Trader Rating: 33 (97%+)
Default

If you want a cooler motor, then consider this fan shroud from ARNDTcraft:
https://arndtcraft.com/products/tekn...n-shroud-mount



A bunch of folks have recently been showing up with these shrouds on their cars at the club in my area lately and they're all raving about how much cooler their motors are coming off the track.... something like 40° cooler than just a regular fan are the claims I'm hearing so I just ordered up a pair of shrouds for my EB410 and my ET410.... they charge $5 shipping for 1 and free shipping if you buy 2. It's really ingenious because it's the next best thing having a forced air intake blowing more directly into the cooling vents of the motor to maximize the output of your fan.
iTz Nicholas72 and EbbTide like this.
billdelong is offline  
Old 10-07-2018, 08:13 AM
  #4667  
R/C Tech Elite Member
iTrader: (7)
 
lowspark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Dallas, TX
Posts: 687
Trader Rating: 7 (100%+)
Default

Shock build question...
I used the MIP shock cartridges when I first built my kit... perfect reaction when completed. Very dead / no rebound when pushed in or pulled out.
I just rebuilt (bad crash and bent a shock shaft), so I did both of my rear shocks. I used the new TKR6708 cartridge with new x-rings. I cannot get my shocks to zero rebound. A little rebound when pushed in but the shaft retracks almost half way when pulled out and released.
Is this normal or am I doing something wrong...
-plenty of green slime, 20 pumps, bled correctly..


Note, I took apart one of my front shocks apart the still had the MIP cartridges in them. I noticed I had put the bottom section of the cartridge in backwards(?) with the hump part pressed against the x-ring and not into the cap.... hmmmmm??
I tried doing this with the new Tekno cartridge and it bound-up the shock shaft...
So I grabbed the MIP parts that I originally had in the rear and put them back in the (and put the one part backwards again) and now I have zero rebound, the shock shaft feels a bit to snug... i figure it will loosen a tab as I use it??

Help?!?!?!
Cliff
lowspark is offline  
Old 10-07-2018, 11:12 AM
  #4668  
Tech Champion
iTrader: (33)
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Austin,TX
Posts: 6,192
Trader Rating: 33 (97%+)
Default

When I attended a race clinic from Joe Bornhorst, he recommended to NOT pump the shocks when bleeding... simply fill the fluid with the shaft fully extended, then place the cap on the shock and slowly compress the shaft such that all the air is forced out and minimize fluid coming from the bleeder hole, tighten screw after shaft is fully compressed... done
billdelong is offline  
Old 10-07-2018, 11:52 AM
  #4669  
Tech Regular
iTrader: (2)
 
shadaloo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: fla
Posts: 268
Trader Rating: 2 (100%+)
Default

Originally Posted by EbbTide
its not necessary but I personally like it a lot. It's easy to change out the pucks when they wear down and they dont wear out too quick either. The reason I like them is it takes a little stress off the motor which for me has resulted in a cooler motor but also a torque monster.
never tried the pucks on any of my other kits, so I just went ahead and ordered a set for the eb410.... curiosity got the best of me.. hah, can't wait to try them!! [:
EbbTide likes this.
shadaloo is offline  
Old 10-07-2018, 01:57 PM
  #4670  
Tech Adept
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Mill Creek, WA
Posts: 111
Default

Originally Posted by billdelong
When I attended a race clinic from Joe Bornhorst, he recommended to NOT pump the shocks when bleeding... simply fill the fluid with the shaft fully extended, then place the cap on the shock and slowly compress the shaft such that all the air is forced out and minimize fluid coming from the bleeder hole, tighten screw after shaft is fully compressed... done
Did he provide an explanation as to why? There must be reasons to do this and reason not to.
crash n go is offline  
Old 10-07-2018, 03:17 PM
  #4671  
Tech Champion
iTrader: (33)
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Austin,TX
Posts: 6,192
Trader Rating: 33 (97%+)
Default

Originally Posted by crash n go
Did he provide an explanation as to why? There must be reasons to do this and reason not to.
I don't remember exactly what he said, but I think it had something to do with getting a more consistent mixture of air in each shock so they are perfectly balanced. When you pump and bleed, the amount of force and air is a variable of how much fluid is in the shock before you place the cap making it less likely to get a perfectly balanced mixture.
billdelong is offline  
Old 10-07-2018, 03:19 PM
  #4672  
R/C Tech Elite Member
iTrader: (7)
 
lowspark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Dallas, TX
Posts: 687
Trader Rating: 7 (100%+)
Default

Originally Posted by billdelong
When I attended a race clinic from Joe Bornhorst, he recommended to NOT pump the shocks when bleeding... simply fill the fluid with the shaft fully extended, then place the cap on the shock and slowly compress the shaft such that all the air is forced out and minimize fluid coming from the bleeder hole, tighten screw after shaft is fully compressed... done
Thanks Bill
I had seen your post before on this. I will give it a try.
What about the movement of the shaft (rebound)... is it ok the way I noted with it pulling back in half-way?
lowspark is offline  
Old 10-07-2018, 03:29 PM
  #4673  
Tech Champion
iTrader: (33)
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Austin,TX
Posts: 6,192
Trader Rating: 33 (97%+)
Default

Originally Posted by lowspark
Thanks Bill
I had seen your post before on this. I will give it a try.
What about the movement of the shaft (rebound)... is it ok the way I noted with it pulling back in half-way?
Yes, I've noticed that mine pull in just a pinch, no where close to my droop settings, are you sure it's really pulling in half way?

Here's a video of exactly how Joe was recommending, just without the pumping step, and you need to do the bleed about 3x slower than how fast Ryan is bleeding here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho12c4wvO0M
billdelong is offline  
Old 10-07-2018, 06:36 PM
  #4674  
Tech Master
iTrader: (5)
 
RazorRC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 1,896
Trader Rating: 5 (100%+)
Default

IMO, the only way you can build a shock with no suction/rebound is if the seals leak. Either you build the shocks with vacuum and they suction in, or you build them with extra air and they rebound out. The shock shafts displace air, so something has to give if you compress them or pull them out.

So I don't think it's a good goal.
RazorRC is offline  
Old 10-07-2018, 10:07 PM
  #4675  
Tech Addict
iTrader: (16)
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 508
Trader Rating: 16 (100%+)
Default

So I ran my new eb410 for first time today. What an awesome car . . .

I was really impressed how it just begged me to drive it harder. For initial run I did try a Low CG battery that was pretty light. My car only weighed 1630g . . . while it accelerated hard it was not as planted as I had hoped. I switched to a regular side battery (which added 50g), and car was much better balanced, still very responsive but very planted.

So I had one odd thing happen at the end of my run. I thought I broke a rear hub because the hub was detached from the rear arm. Makes no sense, but arm was intact, hub was intact, and the outer pin was not even bent?! I checked to make sure it was round, put it back in the arm and tested it . . . nothing broken . . .
I am pretty perplexed . . . I think maybe the rear arms must have a lot of flex in them . . .

any thoughts?
EbbTide likes this.
mupchu is offline  
Old 10-08-2018, 05:41 AM
  #4676  
Tech Apprentice
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Marysville, Ohio
Posts: 70
Default

Originally Posted by Cain
on one of my older vehicles they had what looks like a lipo retaining tray. it went around the battery retaining posts. It was on the hot bodies d413.

maybe you can use something like this and glue the retaining system in place?
depending on the distence betewwn the hole it may bolt right in or I could possible modify a little. velcro would defiantly be quicker and easier but lets be honest it snot as cool lol
ahe243 is offline  
Old 10-08-2018, 07:11 AM
  #4677  
Tech Champion
iTrader: (33)
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Austin,TX
Posts: 6,192
Trader Rating: 33 (97%+)
Default

Originally Posted by mupchu
So I ran my new eb410 for first time today. What an awesome car . . .

I was really impressed how it just begged me to drive it harder. For initial run I did try a Low CG battery that was pretty light. My car only weighed 1630g . . . while it accelerated hard it was not as planted as I had hoped. I switched to a regular side battery (which added 50g), and car was much better balanced, still very responsive but very planted.

So I had one odd thing happen at the end of my run. I thought I broke a rear hub because the hub was detached from the rear arm. Makes no sense, but arm was intact, hub was intact, and the outer pin was not even bent?! I checked to make sure it was round, put it back in the arm and tested it . . . nothing broken . . .
I am pretty perplexed . . . I think maybe the rear arms must have a lot of flex in them . . .

any thoughts?
EB410 REAR LOCKING HINGE PINS, titanium 1 pair - Exotek Racing

You will need to drill out the hole on the arm for the pin to go all the way through, I have also used the same rear pins from the HoBao Hyper10TT which are a direct fit as shown in the wiki (top of this thread):
Tekno RC EB410 Thread


billdelong is offline  
Old 10-08-2018, 11:45 AM
  #4678  
Tech Fanatic
iTrader: (17)
 
Maxxingout's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 809
Trader Rating: 17 (100%+)
Default

Question, why didn't tekno include a front sway bar on this wheeler but made it a optional part? all my other wheelers had them in the kit and were def used.
Maxxingout is offline  
Old 10-08-2018, 11:48 AM
  #4679  
Tech Elite
iTrader: (380)
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: NW Indiana
Posts: 4,165
Trader Rating: 380 (99%+)
Default

Originally Posted by Maxxingout
Question, why didn't tekno include a front sway bar on this wheeler but made it a optional part? all my other wheelers had them in the kit and were def used.
TLR 22-4 2.0 is the same way.
jonski is offline  
Old 10-08-2018, 12:10 PM
  #4680  
Tech Addict
 
sea1swk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Tacoma Area
Posts: 501
Default

Originally Posted by shadaloo
So whats everyones take on getting the 13.5 mip puck system? I see its $145 shipped... Specifically for 13.5 spec racing.
I've been running the MIP Chassis with full pucks, for quite a few months. Race on Clay, almost every weekend. I recommend sticking with the 3, gear diffs. I feel that if you do a slipper, it adds more tension and not as forgiving when things get a little sideways. I feel the Pucks are lighter, less weight in the drivetrain = quicker acceleration. Also quieter and smoother. I put a dab of grease on the pucks, when I do maint. Not wore out any yet. I'm running Composite gears in the front and back. Mine ate the composite gears in the middle, for some reason. But I have also been beaten by a almost stock eb410.
sea1swk is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.